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		<title>By: arty</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11001</link>
		<dc:creator>arty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given some of the behaviour in Sydney on Monday, we might rename 26 January &quot;Racist Day&quot;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indigenous people are not the only people to question 26 January as Australia Day.   Some think Australia started on 1 January 1901.  In some states, 26 January is regarded as &quot;First Fleet Day, of &quot;NSW Foundation Day&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Discussion can continue.  &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given some of the behaviour in Sydney on Monday, we might rename 26 January &#8220;Racist Day&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Indigenous people are not the only people to question 26 January as Australia Day.   Some think Australia started on 1 January 1901.  In some states, 26 January is regarded as &#8220;First Fleet Day, of &#8220;NSW Foundation Day&#8221;.</p>
<p>Discussion can continue.  </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11002</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never liked Australia Day, with it&#039;s populist nationalism, public drunkeness and it&#039;s blinkered arrogance at the rub-your-noses-in-it approach to aboriginal conciliation. Now Kowardly Kev&#039;s NO has done for Labour Party policy what Oi,Oi,Oi, has done for national pride. Well OK, Kevin, no more conversation -  we are sorry Australians indeed, and we vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never liked Australia Day, with it&#8217;s populist nationalism, public drunkeness and it&#8217;s blinkered arrogance at the rub-your-noses-in-it approach to aboriginal conciliation. Now Kowardly Kev&#8217;s NO has done for Labour Party policy what Oi,Oi,Oi, has done for national pride. Well OK, Kevin, no more conversation -  we are sorry Australians indeed, and we vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11003</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an unhealthy reaction to real democracy there from the official ALP machine. Unlike the 2020 fix(ture) an unguided debate could generate &#039;unexpected consequences&#039;. Why couldn&#039;t Rudd just say we are not of a mind to change it, we note most people polled don&#039;t want to change it, but with all things in life if a friendly debate generates a change in sentiment, we&#039;ll look at it again. Now that&#039;s very safe, and democratic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Big Kev might want to get the DVD of &#039;12 Angry Men&#039; out again and watch those numbers change. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s the Peter Andren approach. The guy who took his constituents with him with genuine discussion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another diplomatic way to look at might be that it be kept the same day but it be renamed, as First Australians Day. (After all its the day the &#039;baby&#039; Anglo Saxon civilsation of a few hundred or thousand years met their elders, the First Australians, of 40,000 plus years, longest continuous mob on the planet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the First Aussies could go through a ritual of inviting The Second Australians &#039;as long as they behaved better than those earlier blokes in Olden Times&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway it&#039;s a joke and a bit of fraud to say Australia started on 26 January, it was always a British colony back then. It&#039;s plain historical revisionism to say it was even thought of as a new country Australia. It would be more accurate to call it Colony Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an unhealthy reaction to real democracy there from the official ALP machine. Unlike the 2020 fix(ture) an unguided debate could generate &#8216;unexpected consequences&#8217;. Why couldn&#8217;t Rudd just say we are not of a mind to change it, we note most people polled don&#8217;t want to change it, but with all things in life if a friendly debate generates a change in sentiment, we&#8217;ll look at it again. Now that&#8217;s very safe, and democratic.</p>
<p>Big Kev might want to get the DVD of &#8216;12 Angry Men&#8217; out again and watch those numbers change. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the Peter Andren approach. The guy who took his constituents with him with genuine discussion. </p>
<p>Another diplomatic way to look at might be that it be kept the same day but it be renamed, as First Australians Day. (After all its the day the &#8216;baby&#8217; Anglo Saxon civilsation of a few hundred or thousand years met their elders, the First Australians, of 40,000 plus years, longest continuous mob on the planet.</p>
<p>And the First Aussies could go through a ritual of inviting The Second Australians &#8216;as long as they behaved better than those earlier blokes in Olden Times&#8217;.</p>
<p>Anyway it&#8217;s a joke and a bit of fraud to say Australia started on 26 January, it was always a British colony back then. It&#8217;s plain historical revisionism to say it was even thought of as a new country Australia. It would be more accurate to call it Colony Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Ada</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11004</link>
		<dc:creator>Ada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about changing the date of Australia Day, but wasn&#039;t the election mentioned in the first par ... in 2007?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about changing the date of Australia Day, but wasn&#8217;t the election mentioned in the first par &#8230; in 2007?</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complaining about other people&#039;s spelling cheapens your own argument. It&#039;s just a comment on the internet, and a true statement is no less true if it&#039;s spelt badly. Also, there&#039;s always the possibility it&#039;s a typo, not a spelling mistake. Forgive those of us with fat fingers, or using a mobile device.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having said that, I agree with your points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complaining about other people&#8217;s spelling cheapens your own argument. It&#8217;s just a comment on the internet, and a true statement is no less true if it&#8217;s spelt badly. Also, there&#8217;s always the possibility it&#8217;s a typo, not a spelling mistake. Forgive those of us with fat fingers, or using a mobile device.</p>
<p>Having said that, I agree with your points.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11006</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debate about renaming or moving Australia day is kind of pointless until we make a move on becoming a republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debate about renaming or moving Australia day is kind of pointless until we make a move on becoming a republic.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/27/black-promises-are-little-white-lies/#comment-11007</link>
		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame, but Australia is a really politically immature nation, in my relatively short lifetime I haven&#039;t seen a sensible national debate about anything, thanks mainly to our reactionary media and opportunistic politicians. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sad thing is that I expected a slightly more mature response to the &quot;national conversation&quot; from Rudd. But I guess if this debate wasn&#039;t shut down quickly then every right wing radio jock would be whipping up a storm amongst there gullible and ignorant listeners (who also happen to vote).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame, but Australia is a really politically immature nation, in my relatively short lifetime I haven&#8217;t seen a sensible national debate about anything, thanks mainly to our reactionary media and opportunistic politicians. </p>
<p>The sad thing is that I expected a slightly more mature response to the &#8220;national conversation&#8221; from Rudd. But I guess if this debate wasn&#8217;t shut down quickly then every right wing radio jock would be whipping up a storm amongst there gullible and ignorant listeners (who also happen to vote).</p>
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