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	<title>Comments on: Paul Armstrong joins the former-editor club of Australia</title>
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		<title>By: Chris J</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/16/paul-armstrong-joins-the-former-editor-club-of-australia/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappearing editors and deck-chair shuffling is about newspapers boxing the trifecta in a media meltdown. Radio and television fell apart years ago after boning themselves on de-regulation, industry divestment and a networked cross-media package of simplified info from a diet of skills and resources. Now all three suffer an identity crisis and we&#039;re minus a credible communications platform with an impending education revolution and nothing to fire minds and imaginations. All of which makes this internet censorship debate appear a political stunt set to divert from the real crisis of a nation deprived of credible communications. Any time now they’ll launch one of those consumer-friendly program (Media Watch??) to tip us off on where to get the best info and entertainment available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappearing editors and deck-chair shuffling is about newspapers boxing the trifecta in a media meltdown. Radio and television fell apart years ago after boning themselves on de-regulation, industry divestment and a networked cross-media package of simplified info from a diet of skills and resources. Now all three suffer an identity crisis and we&#8217;re minus a credible communications platform with an impending education revolution and nothing to fire minds and imaginations. All of which makes this internet censorship debate appear a political stunt set to divert from the real crisis of a nation deprived of credible communications. Any time now they’ll launch one of those consumer-friendly program (Media Watch??) to tip us off on where to get the best info and entertainment available.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, a midly interesting story to a non-journalist, non-Western-Australian like me - but when the Crikey email&#039;s title lead with &quot;Armstong knifed&quot; I assued that Lance had received some Adelaide hospitality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, a midly interesting story to a non-journalist, non-Western-Australian like me - but when the Crikey email&#8217;s title lead with &#8220;Armstong knifed&#8221; I assued that Lance had received some Adelaide hospitality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Garden</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/16/paul-armstrong-joins-the-former-editor-club-of-australia/#comment-1146</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Margaret you did not mention The Australian. What about its editors? And what it is about our national broadsheet and its editors that has seen increases in circulation and readership - both in its weekly editions and Saturday - in recent years. They must be doing something to appeal to readers, when its content if freely available online. While, the Weekend Magazine is not as engaging as it used to be (IMO), the Saturday Review section often has some excellent stuff, and then there is the monthly Literary Review insert. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, a great editor at the Australian Financial Review, for its Friday Review section. Robert Bolton gave me lengthy and detailed feedback on an article I submitted, even though he said if I revised it, it still would not suit the AFR. With a few revisions, it found a home elsewhere. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, there are still some GREAT editors, inspite of all the movement among the deckchairs. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was also interested to read somewhere on Crikey, that even though the Overland magazine is now available online, readers still want print copies. I think the same applies to some of our print newspapers. Not for breaking news, but for detailed opinion pieces that one wants to think about, mull over, scribble notes on perhaps. Can&#039;t do that with the online version. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;William Powers, media critic for the National Journal, believes paper isn’t just &#039;an old habit, but rather an advanced technology that is nearly impossible to improve upon&#039;. See his article Long Live Paper http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/05/23/03. Powers is also the author of the extraordinarily popular online article Hamlet&#039;s Blackberry (75 pages long!)&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hks.harvard.edu/presspol/research_publications/papers/discussion_papers/D39.pdf&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Margaret you did not mention The Australian. What about its editors? And what it is about our national broadsheet and its editors that has seen increases in circulation and readership - both in its weekly editions and Saturday - in recent years. They must be doing something to appeal to readers, when its content if freely available online. While, the Weekend Magazine is not as engaging as it used to be (IMO), the Saturday Review section often has some excellent stuff, and then there is the monthly Literary Review insert. </p>
<p>Also, a great editor at the Australian Financial Review, for its Friday Review section. Robert Bolton gave me lengthy and detailed feedback on an article I submitted, even though he said if I revised it, it still would not suit the AFR. With a few revisions, it found a home elsewhere. </p>
<p>So, there are still some GREAT editors, inspite of all the movement among the deckchairs. </p>
<p>I was also interested to read somewhere on Crikey, that even though the Overland magazine is now available online, readers still want print copies. I think the same applies to some of our print newspapers. Not for breaking news, but for detailed opinion pieces that one wants to think about, mull over, scribble notes on perhaps. Can&#8217;t do that with the online version. </p>
<p>William Powers, media critic for the National Journal, believes paper isn’t just &#8216;an old habit, but rather an advanced technology that is nearly impossible to improve upon&#8217;. See his article Long Live Paper <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/05/23/03" rel="nofollow">http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/05/23/03</a>. Powers is also the author of the extraordinarily popular online article Hamlet&#8217;s Blackberry (75 pages long!)<br /><a href="http://www.hks.harvard.edu/presspol/research_publications/papers/discussion_papers/D39.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hks.harvard.edu/presspol/research_publications/papers/discussion_papers/D39.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/16/paul-armstrong-joins-the-former-editor-club-of-australia/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely Armstrong like most editors became functions of HMV, that is ex PM John Howard. As he went so the flock went - I mean in general terms, no one in particular.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Armstrong&#039;s case it would have been extra dose with Ruddish quite a technocrat who would see mistakes as potentially worse than bias in an outlet, ie not worth turning, or capturing to his own ends, as tainting the collection as it were!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A similar effect is with the US ambassador bailing asap not even waiting for his recall because he was branded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to big character editors I always thought Alan Ramsey was in effect running an editorial on his acreage copying up and annotating the &#039;important stuff&#039;. He&#039;d so obviously outgrown his reportage role probaby decades ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And as for blogging - my lifestyle reflects a sort of editor without a newspaper attitude which is ironic given editors in big media WITH a real newspaper who are actually only managers. It&#039;s almost enough to start a call for bring back &#039;the biff&#039;, but not quite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting concept that - who are the big characters these days? Mayne? Simons? Beecher? Jamie Packer - not. Certainly &#039;Little&#039; Kerry Stokes has got heft and saw a problem and &#039;fixed it&#039;. But who throws a cricket ball at full speed in the confines of an office like Big Kerry? As John Lee Hooker would say ... them days are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Armstrong like most editors became functions of HMV, that is ex PM John Howard. As he went so the flock went - I mean in general terms, no one in particular.</p>
<p>In Armstrong&#8217;s case it would have been extra dose with Ruddish quite a technocrat who would see mistakes as potentially worse than bias in an outlet, ie not worth turning, or capturing to his own ends, as tainting the collection as it were!</p>
<p>A similar effect is with the US ambassador bailing asap not even waiting for his recall because he was branded.</p>
<p>As to big character editors I always thought Alan Ramsey was in effect running an editorial on his acreage copying up and annotating the &#8216;important stuff&#8217;. He&#8217;d so obviously outgrown his reportage role probaby decades ago.</p>
<p>And as for blogging - my lifestyle reflects a sort of editor without a newspaper attitude which is ironic given editors in big media WITH a real newspaper who are actually only managers. It&#8217;s almost enough to start a call for bring back &#8216;the biff&#8217;, but not quite.</p>
<p>Interesting concept that - who are the big characters these days? Mayne? Simons? Beecher? Jamie Packer - not. Certainly &#8216;Little&#8217; Kerry Stokes has got heft and saw a problem and &#8216;fixed it&#8217;. But who throws a cricket ball at full speed in the confines of an office like Big Kerry? As John Lee Hooker would say &#8230; them days are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: skink</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/16/paul-armstrong-joins-the-former-editor-club-of-australia/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator>skink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whilst it might be charitable to Armstrong to imagine that he is the victim of corporate politics, it should not be forgotten that his tenure at the West was marked out by a series of blunders, cock-ups and embarassments, the majority caused by low standards of journalism and poor sub-editing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the last few weeks alone have seen the following howlers, which may or may not have hastened Armstrong&#039;s departure:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.  a series of articles critical of a State MP for providing a reference for the CEO of the Shire of Shark Bay which had to be retracted when it came to light that the West had gots its facts wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.  the West&#039;s campaign in support of school league tables derailed by a simple sub-editing typo in their crusading headline (as posted in Crikey)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  a news item this week containing the phrase &#039;spanked like a red-headed step-child&#039;, requiring a retraction and apology to all redheads.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.  the use of a new masthead tagline &quot;giving a voice to the silent majority&quot; that was hastily pulled after three days (as posted in Crikey)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5.  a commentary by their economics editor on the global financial meltdown suggesting that the crisis might discredit the economic theories of Milton Keynes. (Crikey again)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;add these recent crackers to more famous ones like HMAS Sydney and the &#039;granny in a hospital corridor&#039; beat-up, plus a series of stoushes with staff (Nappy Alley) and politicians (McGinty and Carpenter), and it is difficult to argue that Armstrong has anyone to blame for his demise but himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whilst it might be charitable to Armstrong to imagine that he is the victim of corporate politics, it should not be forgotten that his tenure at the West was marked out by a series of blunders, cock-ups and embarassments, the majority caused by low standards of journalism and poor sub-editing.</p>
<p>the last few weeks alone have seen the following howlers, which may or may not have hastened Armstrong&#8217;s departure:</p>
<p>1.  a series of articles critical of a State MP for providing a reference for the CEO of the Shire of Shark Bay which had to be retracted when it came to light that the West had gots its facts wrong.</p>
<p>2.  the West&#8217;s campaign in support of school league tables derailed by a simple sub-editing typo in their crusading headline (as posted in Crikey)</p>
<p>3.  a news item this week containing the phrase &#8216;spanked like a red-headed step-child&#8217;, requiring a retraction and apology to all redheads.</p>
<p>4.  the use of a new masthead tagline &#8220;giving a voice to the silent majority&#8221; that was hastily pulled after three days (as posted in Crikey)</p>
<p>5.  a commentary by their economics editor on the global financial meltdown suggesting that the crisis might discredit the economic theories of Milton Keynes. (Crikey again)</p>
<p>add these recent crackers to more famous ones like HMAS Sydney and the &#8216;granny in a hospital corridor&#8217; beat-up, plus a series of stoushes with staff (Nappy Alley) and politicians (McGinty and Carpenter), and it is difficult to argue that Armstrong has anyone to blame for his demise but himself.</p>
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		<title>By: kay</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/16/paul-armstrong-joins-the-former-editor-club-of-australia/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Years ago journalists used to talk wistfully about &quot;great editors&quot; -- the sort of people who kindled fire in the bellies of their staff, and who helped set the agenda of a city or a nation.&#039;    Maybe a big part of the problem for journalism these days is that more and more readers take offense at the very idea that journalists and editors see their role as setting, rather than following the agenda of readers or, otherwise, attempting to report - as far as possible - in an impartial manner (whatever the consensus on that is).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anti-media sentiment is pretty much on a par with anti-politician sentiment and, as I see it, it is largely because people resent being treated like mute, gullible and manipulable sheep that have to be herded either by the political and economic &#039;elites&#039; within the media or those using the media.  The &#039;media&#039; has lost a lot of credibility in the last decades but  I doubt many readers think the answer lies in going back to the good ol&#039; days when &#039;independent&#039; journalism meant editors and journos set the political agenda.  No thanks, we don&#039;t want any self-appointed, unaccountable political cadre anymore thinking they can tell us what is important (not least because they&#039;ve shown themselves to be so bad at it).  Instead I reckon the whole blogging explosion, the decline in readership of traditional media etc is showing that people want to transform the power relation between the media and readers in a way that makes journos (and the PR pundits) more subject to reader-driven issues, views and styles and enables readers to be speakers, writers and dialoguers rather than remaining in frustrated, suspicious and contemptuous silence. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="quo">&#8216;</span>Years ago journalists used to talk wistfully about &#8220;great editors&#8221;&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the sort of people who kindled fire in the bellies of their staff, and who helped set the agenda of a city or a nation.&#8217;    Maybe a big part of the problem for journalism these days is that more and more readers take offense at the very idea that journalists and editors see their role as setting, rather than following the agenda of readers or, otherwise, attempting to report - as far as possible - in an impartial manner (whatever the consensus on that is).  </p>
<p>Anti-media sentiment is pretty much on a par with anti-politician sentiment and, as I see it, it is largely because people resent being treated like mute, gullible and manipulable sheep that have to be herded either by the political and economic &#8216;elites&#8217; within the media or those using the media.  The &#8216;media&#8217; has lost a lot of credibility in the last decades but  I doubt many readers think the answer lies in going back to the good ol&#8217; days when &#8216;independent&#8217; journalism meant editors and journos set the political agenda.  No thanks, we don&#8217;t want any self-appointed, unaccountable political cadre anymore thinking they can tell us what is important (not least because they&#8217;ve shown themselves to be so bad at it).  Instead I reckon the whole blogging explosion, the decline in readership of traditional media etc is showing that people want to transform the power relation between the media and readers in a way that makes journos (and the PR pundits) more subject to reader-driven issues, views and styles and enables readers to be speakers, writers and dialoguers rather than remaining in frustrated, suspicious and contemptuous silence.</p>
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