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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/the-carbon-footprint-of-lazy-journalism/#comment-14586</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some facts as I understand them snarfed from the web - corrections welcomed...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;rough cost of wholesale energy per kilowatt hour (kwh): ~5c&lt;br /&gt;CO2 cost per kwh: ~1kg  (coal power: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/faq.html)&lt;br /&gt;time for my (small) 1 litre (~ 1kw) kettle to boil when full is ~ 5 minutes which compares well with the theoretical energy for a 1litre at ~350kj, or 350 seconds time for 1kw .  Hence power for a small boiled kettle is a killowatt for 1/10 of an hour, or 0.1 kwh&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I get...&lt;br /&gt;Kettle boiling: costs ~.5c, and ~ 100g, ... the article says a kettle take 15g, which I don&#039;t get even close to; maybe clever people boil just enough to make single cups only?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the article was true, Google doing &quot;more than 200m&quot; searches a day would spend ~ $20m a day on power, or ~ $7billion a year, consuming 100,000 megawatt hours, or a continuous drain of 4,000 megawatts (about half the power output of Victoria).  On the authors figures, total power consumption would be ~ 650 megawatts, which I guess is about the size of Hazelwood, and would still be spending ~ $1billion a year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Google use cheap, mass produced low power units in gigantic numbers - estimates are hard to come by, I will estimate 200,000 (http://arnab.org/blog/how-many-computers-does-google-have).  Energy cost of networking is significant, but I do not believe as great as machines; I&#039;ll add 50% for good luck.  Utility server machines are dropping in power (~100-200w) but also require cooling, UPSs and network etc., so we&#039;ll call it 500w all up (figures are difficult to get; everyone is selling something power center wise) - so I get 100 megawatts; or 1/6th of the author&#039;s estimate, or 1/40th of the true kettle figure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d say that the author is overstating the case to make a political point - and I&#039;d have to agree with the main article it might have something to do with promoting his business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some facts as I understand them snarfed from the web - corrections welcomed&#8230;</p>
<p>rough cost of wholesale energy per kilowatt hour (kwh): ~5c<br />CO2 cost per kwh: ~1kg  (coal power: <a href="http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/faq.html</a>)<br />time for my (small) 1 litre (~ 1kw) kettle to boil when full is ~ 5 minutes which compares well with the theoretical energy for a 1litre at ~350kj, or 350 seconds time for 1kw .  Hence power for a small boiled kettle is a killowatt for 1/10 of an hour, or 0.1 kwh</p>
<p>So I get&#8230;<br />Kettle boiling: costs ~.5c, and ~ 100g, &#8230; the article says a kettle take 15g, which I don&#8217;t get even close to; maybe clever people boil just enough to make single cups only?</p>
<p>If the article was true, Google doing &#8220;more than 200m&#8221; searches a day would spend ~ $20m a day on power, or ~ $7billion a year, consuming 100,000 megawatt hours, or a continuous drain of 4,000 megawatts (about half the power output of Victoria).  On the authors figures, total power consumption would be ~ 650 megawatts, which I guess is about the size of Hazelwood, and would still be spending ~ $1billion a year.</p>
<p>Google use cheap, mass produced low power units in gigantic numbers - estimates are hard to come by, I will estimate 200,000 (<a href="http://arnab.org/blog/how-many-computers-does-google-have" rel="nofollow">http://arnab.org/blog/how-many-computers-does-google-have</a>).  Energy cost of networking is significant, but I do not believe as great as machines; I&#8217;ll add 50% for good luck.  Utility server machines are dropping in power (~100-200w) but also require cooling, UPSs and network etc., so we&#8217;ll call it 500w all up (figures are difficult to get; everyone is selling something power center wise) - so I get 100 megawatts; or 1/6th of the author&#8217;s estimate, or 1/40th of the true kettle figure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the author is overstating the case to make a political point - and I&#8217;d have to agree with the main article it might have something to do with promoting his business&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/the-carbon-footprint-of-lazy-journalism/#comment-14587</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For another deconstruction of the numbers:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/12/google_kettle_green_it_cobblers/&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For another deconstruction of the numbers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/12/google_kettle_green_it_cobblers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/12/google_kettle_green_it_cobblers/</a></p>
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