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		<title>By: Graham </title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15646</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter your own bias colours and clouds your judgment.  For a fiercely independent QC this article demonstrates that you type faster than you think.  To describe the &quot;enemy&quot; as the &quot;left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC&quot; says more about you than the targets of your hot headed article. Its also a little ironic that you are a regular contributor to Crikey and your article is published in Crikey. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If to read or listen to intelligent, thought provoking journalism in your view makes a person a member of the left wing glitterati then while you may be highly intelligent you are nonetheless a fool.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have made no attempt to analyse the issues that arise from the publication of the fraud. To suggest  in some way that Helen Demidenko&#039;s fraud was better because it was still a literary peice of work shows you have lost the plot. Dimidenko&#039;s story was hailed because it was thought to be true. She lied for financial gain (isn&#039;t that a criminal offence - financial advantage by deception?) and was outed against her will. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here the author has made no attempt at financial gain and has outed themselves. They have  demonstrated that while Windschuttle will dig to the ends of the earth to cast doubt on anything with which he disagrees, he will not perform the most rudimentary checks on an article, or even the existence of its author, if it aligns with his way of thinking. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, it is not just the publication which has damaged Windschuttle and Quadrant - but the defence of Quadrant by many who say it is not the sort of publication where one would expect any due diligence or verification or articles !  If that is the case then I wll refile my Quadrants with the Womens&#039; Weekly and New Idea stories about royalty and movie stars and models - because Quadrant now has the same credibiity rating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next time I suggest you count to 10 before pressing the send button to contribute an article like this. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers, Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter your own bias colours and clouds your judgment.  For a fiercely independent QC this article demonstrates that you type faster than you think.  To describe the &#8220;enemy&#8221; as the &#8220;left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC&#8221; says more about you than the targets of your hot headed article. Its also a little ironic that you are a regular contributor to Crikey and your article is published in Crikey. </p>
<p>If to read or listen to intelligent, thought provoking journalism in your view makes a person a member of the left wing glitterati then while you may be highly intelligent you are nonetheless a fool.</p>
<p>You have made no attempt to analyse the issues that arise from the publication of the fraud. To suggest  in some way that Helen Demidenko&#8217;s fraud was better because it was still a literary peice of work shows you have lost the plot. Dimidenko&#8217;s story was hailed because it was thought to be true. She lied for financial gain (isn&#8217;t that a criminal offence - financial advantage by deception?) and was outed against her will. </p>
<p>Here the author has made no attempt at financial gain and has outed themselves. They have  demonstrated that while Windschuttle will dig to the ends of the earth to cast doubt on anything with which he disagrees, he will not perform the most rudimentary checks on an article, or even the existence of its author, if it aligns with his way of thinking. </p>
<p>Further, it is not just the publication which has damaged Windschuttle and Quadrant - but the defence of Quadrant by many who say it is not the sort of publication where one would expect any due diligence or verification or articles !  If that is the case then I wll refile my Quadrants with the Womens&#8217; Weekly and New Idea stories about royalty and movie stars and models - because Quadrant now has the same credibiity rating.</p>
<p>Next time I suggest you count to 10 before pressing the send button to contribute an article like this. </p>
<p>Cheers, Graham</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15647</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an intersting proposition that if you do not respect a group of people then your reputation cannot be harmed. Unfortunately Peter Farris has damned Keith Windschittle with his defence. He states that Windschuttle has been negligent which is something that both left and right and those in the middle will agree on. He also says that the opinions of millions of people don&#039;t count because they may hold left wing views. He may like to let the members of the Howard government voted out in 2007 know this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However he mistakes the response of many.  If a person is prepared to publish material damning others for sloppiness it is imperative that the same kind of sloppiness is not shown. Windschuttle is guilty of those crimes he suggests others have made in examining Aboriginal history. Whilst Peter Farris seems to believe that Windschuttle has proven that the stories of Aboriginal massacres are incorrect Windschuttle has perpetrated his own fraud as Professor John Quiggin has pointed out by failing to produce evidence of this in a second volume. Of course the first fraud is to say that if there is no written evidence then the events never happened. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for Keith Windschuttle being an intellectual icon of the non-left,  it must be a small pool indeed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an intersting proposition that if you do not respect a group of people then your reputation cannot be harmed. Unfortunately Peter Farris has damned Keith Windschittle with his defence. He states that Windschuttle has been negligent which is something that both left and right and those in the middle will agree on. He also says that the opinions of millions of people don&#8217;t count because they may hold left wing views. He may like to let the members of the Howard government voted out in 2007 know this.</p>
<p>However he mistakes the response of many.  If a person is prepared to publish material damning others for sloppiness it is imperative that the same kind of sloppiness is not shown. Windschuttle is guilty of those crimes he suggests others have made in examining Aboriginal history. Whilst Peter Farris seems to believe that Windschuttle has proven that the stories of Aboriginal massacres are incorrect Windschuttle has perpetrated his own fraud as Professor John Quiggin has pointed out by failing to produce evidence of this in a second volume. Of course the first fraud is to say that if there is no written evidence then the events never happened. </p>
<p>As for Keith Windschuttle being an intellectual icon of the non-left,  it must be a small pool indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15648</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Editor,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why was Peter Faris granted space in Crikey yesterday for his pro-Windschuttle rant? It was predictable, unenlightened and unenlightening. Windschuttle has been exposed as a hypocrite, hopefully for the benefit of publishing. Faris&#039;s piece  belonged in the Comments section at best (the bin would have been more appropriate).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Editor,</p>
<p>Why was Peter Faris granted space in Crikey yesterday for his pro-Windschuttle rant? It was predictable, unenlightened and unenlightening. Windschuttle has been exposed as a hypocrite, hopefully for the benefit of publishing. Faris&#8217;s piece  belonged in the Comments section at best (the bin would have been more appropriate).</p>
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		<title>By: Mao Ze Ding Dong</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15649</link>
		<dc:creator>Mao Ze Ding Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Peter, if you can simultaneously say that Windschuttle is a negligent editor who has damaged the reputation of his magazine, and that his reputation remains in tact, then you are presumably saying that Windschuttle was always a negligent editor who damaged his magazine&#039;s reputation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further down, about 350 words into the first article you&#039;ve written for Crikey in months, you argue that the matter is basically of no importance in any case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wow. Powerful advocacy skills. Remind us again what it is QCs get the big bucks for? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The truth is, you&#039;re exactly of the Windschuttle type yourself - long haired fitzroy legal service founder, trekking through the political hinterland until you arrive at the point where you believe that Jews and Muslims should have their religion stamped in their passport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People like you and Windschuttle don&#039;t need sustained attack - you destroy yourselves with the slightest push, publishing the wrong article, coming out of the wrong doorway...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But please, keep the whole affair going with your inept defences.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Peter, if you can simultaneously say that Windschuttle is a negligent editor who has damaged the reputation of his magazine, and that his reputation remains in tact, then you are presumably saying that Windschuttle was always a negligent editor who damaged his magazine&#8217;s reputation. </p>
<p>Further down, about 350 words into the first article you&#8217;ve written for Crikey in months, you argue that the matter is basically of no importance in any case.</p>
<p>Wow. Powerful advocacy skills. Remind us again what it is QCs get the big bucks for? </p>
<p>The truth is, you&#8217;re exactly of the Windschuttle type yourself - long haired fitzroy legal service founder, trekking through the political hinterland until you arrive at the point where you believe that Jews and Muslims should have their religion stamped in their passport.</p>
<p>People like you and Windschuttle don&#8217;t need sustained attack - you destroy yourselves with the slightest push, publishing the wrong article, coming out of the wrong doorway&#8230;</p>
<p>But please, keep the whole affair going with your inept defences&#8230;. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15650</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey has been hoaxed! Peter Faris doesn&#039;t exist!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;The answer is no, because the people who care about this are the same sort of people who did the fraud: namely, the left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC. &quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is true, but do you really think the &#039;average Australian&#039; knows about the Sokal Affair? Or reads Quadrant? The Windschuttle Affair appeals only to the intellectuals on the right and left. You can&#039;t say it doesn&#039;t matter to the Right, because both Crikey and the Oz have been filled with Op-Ed columns about how this all doesn&#039;t matter right from the get go! Also going from the comments left on most Crikey stories, there are quite a few right-wingers and moderates who read Crikey to balance out the pernicious effect of the evil lefties. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those sure are a lot of words wasted on something that doesn&#039;t matter. Heh. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey has been hoaxed! Peter Faris doesn&#8217;t exist!</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>The answer is no, because the people who care about this are the same sort of people who did the fraud: namely, the left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC. &#8220;</p>
<p>This is true, but do you really think the &#8216;average Australian&#8217; knows about the Sokal Affair? Or reads Quadrant? The Windschuttle Affair appeals only to the intellectuals on the right and left. You can&#8217;t say it doesn&#8217;t matter to the Right, because both Crikey and the Oz have been filled with Op-Ed columns about how this all doesn&#8217;t matter right from the get go! Also going from the comments left on most Crikey stories, there are quite a few right-wingers and moderates who read Crikey to balance out the pernicious effect of the evil lefties. </p>
<p>Those sure are a lot of words wasted on something that doesn&#8217;t matter. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLoughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15651</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McLoughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You run along Peter and find those WMD for us in Iraq, there&#039;s a good fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You run along Peter and find those WMD for us in Iraq, there&#8217;s a good fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Harvey M Tarvydas</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15652</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Harvey M Tarvydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respecting the authors talents and achievements and not being at all concerned whether his left is stronger than his right or visa versa I feel the urge to make a correction to the authors commentary as follows …..  &lt;br /&gt; “Has Keith Windschuttle’s reputation been damaged or destroyed by the fraud committed upon him and Quadrant? The answer is no, because the people who care about this are the same sort of people who did the fraud: namely, the left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;I have created all the forms of glitter for glitterati (the making of glitterati), love coffee, and read and view the listed know and do medicine and science am not left wing or anything and know a lot about media with frauds about frauds and the proper morality and ethics on those issues.&lt;br /&gt;My comments about Windshuttle during this series indicates that there is an intelligent point of view which can respect all players if they want respect. (some people don’t but just want to be ‘winners’ having given even their own respect up long ago)   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respecting the authors talents and achievements and not being at all concerned whether his left is stronger than his right or visa versa I feel the urge to make a correction to the authors commentary as follows …..  <br /> “Has Keith Windschuttle’s reputation been damaged or destroyed by the fraud committed upon him and Quadrant? The answer is no, because the people who care about this are the same sort of people who did the fraud: namely, the left-wing glitterati who read Crikey, The Age and The SMH and watch and listen to the ABC.&#8221;<br />I have created all the forms of glitter for glitterati (the making of glitterati), love coffee, and read and view the listed know and do medicine and science am not left wing or anything and know a lot about media with frauds about frauds and the proper morality and ethics on those issues.<br />My comments about Windshuttle during this series indicates that there is an intelligent point of view which can respect all players if they want respect. (some people don’t but just want to be ‘winners’ having given even their own respect up long ago)   </p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15653</link>
		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh one  does so agree that our most rigorous of historians, Windshuttle ,or is it Winshuffle, can be sure his reputation has not suffered in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh one  does so agree that our most rigorous of historians, Windshuttle ,or is it Winshuffle, can be sure his reputation has not suffered in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Liberts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15654</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Liberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an obvious article. Windschuttle&#039;s reputation as an anti-pc right-winger is obviously intact. We didn&#039;t need the Quadrant hoax to know that, just like the lefty historians Windschuttle criticises, Windschuttle himself is somewhat blinkered in his opinions and sometimes lets his ideology drive him to conclusions which are inaccurate. Any thoroughly accurate historian is unlikely to win headlines because the media simply don&#039;t care. Any historian winning headlines is probably ramping up a controversial view. No news here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an obvious article. Windschuttle&#8217;s reputation as an anti-pc right-winger is obviously intact. We didn&#8217;t need the Quadrant hoax to know that, just like the lefty historians Windschuttle criticises, Windschuttle himself is somewhat blinkered in his opinions and sometimes lets his ideology drive him to conclusions which are inaccurate. Any thoroughly accurate historian is unlikely to win headlines because the media simply don&#8217;t care. Any historian winning headlines is probably ramping up a controversial view. No news here.</p>
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		<title>By: bernardk</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15655</link>
		<dc:creator>bernardk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh ffs; surely Peter has decided to self parody here. That can be the only intelligent explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ffs; surely Peter has decided to self parody here. That can be the only intelligent explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15656</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Windschuttle’s reputation as a scholarly intellectual unafraid to counter the prevailing politically interpreted suppositions and proclivities of the Left has not been challenged one jot by this infantile prank.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Strawman anyone? In fact are we sure the poster isn&#039;t Windy himself, sees like a very pompous turn of phrase. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Windschuttle’s reputation as a scholarly intellectual unafraid to counter the prevailing politically interpreted suppositions and proclivities of the Left has not been challenged one jot by this infantile prank.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strawman anyone? In fact are we sure the poster isn&#8217;t Windy himself, sees like a very pompous turn of phrase.</p>
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		<title>By: John James</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15657</link>
		<dc:creator>John James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I largely agree with  you,Peter, but &quot;left wing glitterati&quot; ? Wow. That is a first for me! There is nothing that glitters about the Left.  As I have written earlier, the peer reviewing in Quadrant is done by the readership. Quadrant regulalry publishes letters of criticism, unlike its the Left wing rival, &#039;The Monthly&#039; in which Quadrant authors are subjected to searching analysis.&lt;br /&gt;As for due diligence,  some of the stuff published here in Crikey leaves alot to the imagination. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I largely agree with  you,Peter, but &#8220;left wing glitterati&#8221; ? Wow. That is a first for me! There is nothing that glitters about the Left.  As I have written earlier, the peer reviewing in Quadrant is done by the readership. Quadrant regulalry publishes letters of criticism, unlike its the Left wing rival, &#8216;The Monthly&#8217; in which Quadrant authors are subjected to searching analysis.<br />As for due diligence,  some of the stuff published here in Crikey leaves alot to the imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/01/12/faris-windschuttles-reputation-remains-intact/#comment-15658</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to note that Graham whines essentially about Faris&#039; turn of phrase and then prattles about Quadrant&#039;s &#039;defense&#039; being the real source of damage. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What thorough obfuscating dishonesty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Faris&#039; central point is valid and not addressed.&lt;br /&gt;Indeed all of Graham&#039;s counter-arguments are utterly weak.&lt;br /&gt;For example classifying Quadrant with Womens&#039; Weekly and New Idea on the basis that a shoestring budget operation must ipso facto mean it could not not be scholarly. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Answer Faris&#039; point Graham.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Windschuttle’s reputation as a scholarly intellectual unafraid to counter the prevailing politically interpreted suppositions and proclivities of the Left  has not been challenged one jot by this infantile prank.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well done Peter Faris for your discriminating critique of this vacuous response from and for the (almost invariably pseudo-) intellectual Left. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note that Graham whines essentially about Faris&#8217; turn of phrase and then prattles about Quadrant&#8217;s &#8216;defense&#8217; being the real source of damage. </p>
<p>What thorough obfuscating dishonesty.</p>
<p>Faris&#8217; central point is valid and not addressed.<br />Indeed all of Graham&#8217;s counter-arguments are utterly weak.<br />For example classifying Quadrant with Womens&#8217; Weekly and New Idea on the basis that a shoestring budget operation must ipso facto mean it could not not be scholarly. </p>
<p>Answer Faris&#8217; point Graham.</p>
<p>Windschuttle’s reputation as a scholarly intellectual unafraid to counter the prevailing politically interpreted suppositions and proclivities of the Left  has not been challenged one jot by this infantile prank.</p>
<p>Well done Peter Faris for your discriminating critique of this vacuous response from and for the (almost invariably pseudo-) intellectual Left. </p>
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