Comments on: Rudd’s stimulus package divides the pack

By: Lucy

Lucy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Perhaps future Rudd government economic stimulus packages should be distributed in the form of Harvey Norman gift vouchers, so that recipients have to spend their money properly and patriotically, on items such as plasma screens.

I certainly hope that pensioner from the front page of the Tele awhile back, the one who could only afford a plain sausage sandwich and table salt for dinner, has bought herself some nice yuppie condiment, like organic relish, for her Christmas dinner.

By: Julius

Julius — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Though not amongst the legendary 1 per cent who actually make or do things that make Australians better off (apart from saving and investing with little skill) I am a taxpayer rather than tax-eater and therefore ambivalent when I note how much the state gets from pokie addicts. On the whole I am for pensioners spending up on booze and, specially, cigarettes. But government could have done much better than that commendably morale boosting $10,4 billion giveaway promise of which I will get none, and my children will have to pay off eventually, if not next year, because it could have geared much of it to incentive devices for early spending which also includes private savings being spent and credit used. If you can’t think of a dozen ways, then you are not fit to be a Treaury official, or Opposition spokesperson, but then you are in good company, because few of them are either.

By: Bernard Keane

Bernard Keane — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Not Hugh “I’ve just dressed up some common-sense statements of the bleeding obvious as some amazing tapping of the zeitgeist and they’ve been swallowed hook line and sinker by the media” McKay?

For shame.

By: Michael de Angelos

Michael de Angelos — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

I've never heard such sanctomonious rubbish coming from people's mouths about this bonus.

Joe Hockey, Wendy McCarthy and Hugh Mackay were speaking in grim puritannical tones last night on ABC radio as though those receiving the money were children who needed to be hand-held whilst they paid their credit card bills.

Strangely silent are the small business lobbies as well. They take every opportunity to belt Rudd over the "work choices" that never was, yet when the PM injects a gigantic sum into the economy from which they will no doubt benefit, they hold their tongues.

As for Malcolm and the Coalition-a few months ago they were moaning about Labor "talking down" the economy ,now when something positive is done to boost the economy they have gone into meltdown. The desire to label the recipients as beer swilling, fag smoking polkie addits is tearing them apart as to do so means they risk the ire of all pensioners.

By: Bernard Keane

Bernard Keane — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

So, Michael, let me get this straight - you’re saying there’s been abuse of some kind?

By: Venise Alstergren

Venise Alstergren — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

I fail to see how buying Christmas presents is going to help the economy when the bulk of trashy presents, not to mention decorations, and those ghastly festoons of coloured lights-draped around peoples’ houses-are all made in China. HTF is this going to help? I’m sure a lot of people will put this money to good use. But it’s like going to what used to be the wonderful Melbourne show; who are the people with the dozens of show bags hanging off their pram handles? The people who can least afford it. These are the people getting the money. I’m going to say it again. How will buying cheap pressies, made in China, help the Oz economy?

By: Ev

Ev — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Thanks Bernard, the media often play this game. I guess it’s their continual search for ‘drama’. Forget the facts, try and generate some conflict.

Here’s a link to the media release by Swan talking about how the package will be spent. I was wondering…
http://www.pm.gov.au/media/release/2008/media_release_0550.cfm

By: Cathy

Cathy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

You’re not a former MP staffer are you Micheal?

By: Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

OOOH!!!! I meant the debate over Rudd’s stimulus package…..

By: Graeme Lewis

Graeme Lewis — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Yes you are right Mr Keane - them and us. Them is about a quarter of all Australians who are pensioners, or who have kids and earn under $100k. That excludes most of us - all the people 45-65 who have no dependent kids, the unemployed, who probably need it more than most of those who will get it, and the 18+ years with no kids. This really is the most divisive thing Rudd and Swan could have dreamed up, and its value will be proven to be bu — er all at the end of the day.
All the journos you quote will be in the “we ain’t getting it” category - you Bernard are obviously getting it.
Venise makes the most incisive comment - the real winners will be the overseas manufacturers and the importers, and Oz will see very very little. You watch!

By: Venise Alstergren

Venise Alstergren — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Graeme Lewis: Thank you for restoring some of my confidence. I thought I may have dropped the proverbial clanger. Cheers

V.

PS: What on earth is Michael Brown on about? Surely not relevant to Bernard's article? The man doesn't make any sense.

Cheers

V.

By: Bev

Bev — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Even though the Pensioners and carers got some money, some may abuse it on drink, or gambling, or they could the wise ones, use it to pay off debts, or buy a Christmas Present for a love one,. I think some times going through hard times where money is concerned can help you be careful in your planning and be happy with various, gifts you may have and put them in good use for yourself and friends,

By: Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Rudd’s stimulus package is just part of the ongoing alienation of a nation launched by the last PM wwho left his Party in tatters and without a magnet. Hence the Howard-hugging media is dead in the water with a choice of doing an about face on fiscal analysis that makes them look a bunch of hypocrites or taking on Rudd and his monetary policies with pack mentality. Turnbull was supposed to be Phoenix rising to replace both Costello and the Member for Bennelong. That he isn’t sort of leaves the media without their idea of the thinking man’s MP. All a bit sad that our two-party system is so lopsided it took a media with it. Or is it the other way around?

By: micheal brown

micheal brown — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

the goverment bonus
helps only so much
and not all of us people out here will be wasting any of the money mr rudd just handed out im lucky to have $50.00.dollars left after i pay and catch up on bills , we struggle everyday , bills add up ,food is dear ,and xmass presents are not cheap, all this money has done for me is catch up on bills , nothing left for me to even going have a good time out and enjoy ones self . my faimly first ,then if their is anything left we will just be able to fill the car up with petrol thats if its cheap at the time ,

so to all out their who think that everyone is just going to piss the money up the wall or play the pokies or get their drugs , we they really dont care for their faimly or their self

and some will do the right thing as me yet others its their chocie what they do with it ,

as mr rudd said spend it , hell the prices are already going up 20 cents or more , the big super markets have seen this as a bonus for their companies ,

what i don't understand is they say this will greate jobs , well hello where are the jobs , i don't here or see all these big shopping centres putting anything back to us as its those companys who are benifiting are they not ,

they buy all their products at cost price from overseas and wack a hundred to 2 hundred percent on what they actually paid ,

a container full of goods from overseas worth say half million by the time its in the shops that container with the goods is worth 1 and a half million in the shops , see we the australian public are still the losers in every thing

really the goverment should of given the pensioners twice of what they gave ,

next year the goverment will have us all on the scrap heap anyway ,as they will , change all the centrelink payments, also proberly bring the stamp issue back that they had in the great depression so how will we survive

we suvive on very little and always have done If this money was not given to us people

By: Matt C

Matt C — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Note that Keane doesn’t actually critique ACOSS’ position, merely mentions it and invites readers to draw their own conclusions. If you disapprove of ACOSS’ stance, Bernard, you should say so and explain your reasoning. Crikey at its best isn’t just a summary of the contents of the papers and of major interest groups; it’s a haphazard collection of argument, opinion, invective, analysis, etc.

By: micheal brown

micheal brown — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

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By: Paul Sofronoff

Paul Sofronoff — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

“the astonishingly unfunny Peter Ruehl …” - a bit like the astonishingly unfunny Bernard Keane??