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		<title>By: homes4aussies</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/08/jigging-auction-numbers/#comment-10638</link>
		<dc:creator>homes4aussies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this on for size! There were very misleading data published in the Courier Mail at the weekend - I assume the error was by the REIQ - which no doubt has deceived many people.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;They published the house price data to the September quarter for Queensland. However, unlike for all other regions, the Brisbane &quot;change over year&quot; compares Median 12 months June 08 with June 07 - not Median 12 months September 08 with September 07. This leaves the impression that house prices have risen more over the year than they actually have - in fact, the September QTR median price for many suburbs is only very slightly above the Median 12 months June 07 figure, and for a few suburbs it is below.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;For example: Belmont - median Sep QTR 08 $439,000 - Median 12 months Jun 07 $507,000, Change over 1 yr 8.9% (note the September QTR 08 figure is actually 14% below the Median 12 months Jun 07 figure)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either the headings for the &quot;Brisbane&quot; columns are incorrect, or the columns are correct in which case the table consists of two columns of September data and 3 of June data.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect it is the latter because the data do not make sense otherwise. (Since the September QTR 07 was still in the midst of the second wave of Brisbane&#039;s bubble, and according to this release prices declined 4.3% in September QTR 08, the annual figures could be expected to be significantly lower than the annual June figures - probably negative for some suburbs.)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Obviously, the fact that this is the first set of figures that really show that the Brisbane market is falling rapidly suggests that the REIQ would be extremely sensitive about releasing these data. So it&#039;s hard to understand how this error was not detected - either by the REIQ or The Courier Mail (and Brisbane Times also quotes the erroneous data) - prior to release and publication.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More reason to conduct a review into the functioning of the realestate industry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this on for size! There were very misleading data published in the Courier Mail at the weekend - I assume the error was by the REIQ - which no doubt has deceived many people.</p>
<p>They published the house price data to the September quarter for Queensland. However, unlike for all other regions, the Brisbane &#8220;change over year&#8221; compares Median 12 months June 08 with June 07 - not Median 12 months September 08 with September 07. This leaves the impression that house prices have risen more over the year than they actually have - in fact, the September QTR median price for many suburbs is only very slightly above the Median 12 months June 07 figure, and for a few suburbs it is below.</p>
<p>For example: Belmont - median Sep QTR 08 $439,000 - Median 12 months Jun 07 $507,000, Change over 1 yr 8.9% (note the September QTR 08 figure is actually 14% below the Median 12 months Jun 07 figure)</p>
<p>Either the headings for the &#8220;Brisbane&#8221; columns are incorrect, or the columns are correct in which case the table consists of two columns of September data and 3 of June data.</p>
<p>I suspect it is the latter because the data do not make sense otherwise. (Since the September QTR 07 was still in the midst of the second wave of Brisbane&#8217;s bubble, and according to this release prices declined 4.3% in September QTR 08, the annual figures could be expected to be significantly lower than the annual June figures - probably negative for some suburbs.)</p>
<p>Obviously, the fact that this is the first set of figures that really show that the Brisbane market is falling rapidly suggests that the REIQ would be extremely sensitive about releasing these data. So it&#8217;s hard to understand how this error was not detected - either by the REIQ or The Courier Mail (and Brisbane Times also quotes the erroneous data) - prior to release and publication.</p>
<p>More reason to conduct a review into the functioning of the realestate industry!</p>
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		<title>By: Black Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/08/jigging-auction-numbers/#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps you should read this old crikey story from two yaars ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20060911-Has-real-estates-vicelike-grip-on-Fairfax-cost-a-commentator-his-job-.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The powers at be at The Age are aware of the dogey results..and yet do nothing..there is more to this story than meets the eye. Please contact me if you wish to discuss further.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam</p>
<p>Perhaps you should read this old crikey story from two yaars ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20060911-Has-real-estates-vicelike-grip-on-Fairfax-cost-a-commentator-his-job-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20060911-Has-real-estates-vicelike-grip-on-Fairfax-cost-a-commentator-his-job-.html</a></p>
<p>The powers at be at The Age are aware of the dogey results..and yet do nothing..there is more to this story than meets the eye. Please contact me if you wish to discuss further.</p>
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		<title>By: gARy joHnSOn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/08/jigging-auction-numbers/#comment-10640</link>
		<dc:creator>gARy joHnSOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if it wasnt for da likes of you Adam and da crckey boys i would still be stuck readin fings like da Age ...erghhummm..cofffff mhuckkz..spit.... you guys always confirm what us unwashed mugs always suspect. da reel emin estate lobby is a farrago of da lies and half-truths, and until da politicians find da balls to outlaw theirr disgracefful antics of deceitful self interest and market manipulation it gonna get worser coz they now desperater</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if it wasnt for da likes of you Adam and da crckey boys i would still be stuck readin fings like da Age &#8230;erghhummm..cofffff mhuckkz..spit&#8230;. you guys always confirm what us unwashed mugs always suspect. da reel emin estate lobby is a farrago of da lies and half-truths, and until da politicians find da balls to outlaw theirr disgracefful antics of deceitful self interest and market manipulation it gonna get worser coz they now desperater</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Charles Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/08/jigging-auction-numbers/#comment-10641</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Charles Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;br /&gt;Adam: I fed the SMH a story which appeared on Page 7 of the SMH 25 September 2008 on the wholesale distortion of rental vacancy rates across metropolitan Sydney, by the Real Estate Institute of NSW.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Desperate for full time work, I took a job (at substantially below my usual salary range) with REINSW as Public Affairs Manager, in mid - 2005 &amp; left 6 months later in disgust at the Institute&#039;s lack of integrity right across its operations. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Probably the best example of the Institute&#039;s lack of management substance, was when soon after my appointment, I shocked an Institute senior management meeting with the &#039; news &#039; that NSW Ministers maintained personal advisors et al, who were the starting point for informally testing the likelihood of preferred policy change.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2 months I was able to progess REINSW policy goals further than the CEO &amp; his team had done by badgering departmental staff in the previous 3 years....as would any lobbyist worth their salt.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even a severly depleted personal cash flow couldn&#039;t convince me to continue working there....one has to be able to sleep at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam: I fed the SMH a story which appeared on Page 7 of the SMH 25 September 2008 on the wholesale distortion of rental vacancy rates across metropolitan Sydney, by the Real Estate Institute of NSW.</p>
<p>Desperate for full time work, I took a job (at substantially below my usual salary range) with REINSW as Public Affairs Manager, in mid - 2005 &#038; left 6 months later in disgust at the Institute&#8217;s lack of integrity right across its operations. </p>
<p>Probably the best example of the Institute&#8217;s lack of management substance, was when soon after my appointment, I shocked an Institute senior management meeting with the &#8217; news &#8217; that NSW Ministers maintained personal advisors et al, who were the starting point for informally testing the likelihood of preferred policy change.  </p>
<p>In 2 months I was able to progess REINSW policy goals further than the CEO &#038; his team had done by badgering departmental staff in the previous 3 years&#8230;.as would any lobbyist worth their salt.  </p>
<p>Even a severly depleted personal cash flow couldn&#8217;t convince me to continue working there&#8230;.one has to be able to sleep at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/12/08/jigging-auction-numbers/#comment-10642</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been wondering how long the media (I don&#039;t include the REIV &amp; REINSW-dependent Fairfax group in that category) would pick up on what has been obvious to many of us for YEARS. I routinely attend auctions in my area, most of which fail, yet do not appear as such in the &#039;clearance rate&#039; summary presented by the REIV/Domain. &lt;br /&gt;You really have to question why the regulators and authorities haven&#039;t taken decisive action once and for all to clean up these overt scams.  The real estate &#039;industry&#039; would be a joke if their behaviour was not so seriously unethical or even illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering how long the media (I don&#8217;t include the REIV &#038; REINSW-dependent Fairfax group in that category) would pick up on what has been obvious to many of us for YEARS. I routinely attend auctions in my area, most of which fail, yet do not appear as such in the &#8216;clearance rate&#8217; summary presented by the REIV/Domain. <br />You really have to question why the regulators and authorities haven&#8217;t taken decisive action once and for all to clean up these overt scams.  The real estate &#8216;industry&#8217; would be a joke if their behaviour was not so seriously unethical or even illegal.</p>
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