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		<title>By: Ad astra</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6319</link>
		<dc:creator>Ad astra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard, you should have written your last paragraph first, and saved us all the tedium of reading your long and pointless preamble.  Rudd is not remotely interested in whether you or any other political tragic is bored.  He has a message to get out to the punters, who don&#039;t sit all day reading press releases, newspapers or online news.  I&#039;d be surprised if they heard one in fifty of Rudd&#039;s repeated messages.  But if one can judge from the polls they&#039;re hearing enough to be satisfied with Rudd and his Government.  So save yourself the trouble of counting or recording the multiple reiterations of a small number of messages.  Rudd may know more about communicating with the public than the staff at Crikey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And by the way, please tell whoever wrote today&#039;s introduction (editorial), that I didn&#039;t subscribe to Crikey to read the tabloid language he used in his second last paragraph to describe Rudd as &quot;a loose lipped braggart&quot;.  Even The Oz ,which you delight in berating, would not use such unseemly language.  If this sort of demeaning talk continues, don&#039;t be surprised if you loose subscribers.  I&#039;m attaching my comment to your piece as I couldn&#039;t see how to comment directly; it would be helpful if subscribers could, so that we can say what we think about some of the editorials we&#039;re reading of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard, you should have written your last paragraph first, and saved us all the tedium of reading your long and pointless preamble.  Rudd is not remotely interested in whether you or any other political tragic is bored.  He has a message to get out to the punters, who don&#8217;t sit all day reading press releases, newspapers or online news.  I&#8217;d be surprised if they heard one in fifty of Rudd&#8217;s repeated messages.  But if one can judge from the polls they&#8217;re hearing enough to be satisfied with Rudd and his Government.  So save yourself the trouble of counting or recording the multiple reiterations of a small number of messages.  Rudd may know more about communicating with the public than the staff at Crikey.</p>
<p>And by the way, please tell whoever wrote today&#8217;s introduction (editorial), that I didn&#8217;t subscribe to Crikey to read the tabloid language he used in his second last paragraph to describe Rudd as &#8220;a loose lipped braggart&#8221;.  Even The Oz ,which you delight in berating, would not use such unseemly language.  If this sort of demeaning talk continues, don&#8217;t be surprised if you loose subscribers.  I&#8217;m attaching my comment to your piece as I couldn&#8217;t see how to comment directly; it would be helpful if subscribers could, so that we can say what we think about some of the editorials we&#8217;re reading of late.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6320</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Bernard! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most everyone I know is getting increasingly irritated at being spoken down to by Rudd/Gillard/Swan in particular but actually by most of the front bench. Some horourable exceptions, (on occasion) but most seem determined (compelled??) to hide behind plastic sound-bites. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can understand and (almost) forgive this fanatical compulsion to stay &quot;on-message&quot; during an election campaign but that was over a year ago and I now expect my government to give me the benefit of doubt and to communicate with me (via the media) as an intelligent adult. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead we are fed Orwellian phrases of little/no substance and an ongoing display of arrogant avoidance of legitimate questioning which even the former PM couldn&#039;t match. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to keep my vote Mr Rudd I suggest you have your government earn it by treating me with some respect! &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Bernard! </p>
<p>Most everyone I know is getting increasingly irritated at being spoken down to by Rudd/Gillard/Swan in particular but actually by most of the front bench. Some horourable exceptions, (on occasion) but most seem determined (compelled??) to hide behind plastic sound-bites. </p>
<p>I can understand and (almost) forgive this fanatical compulsion to stay &#8220;on-message&#8221; during an election campaign but that was over a year ago and I now expect my government to give me the benefit of doubt and to communicate with me (via the media) as an intelligent adult. </p>
<p>Instead we are fed Orwellian phrases of little/no substance and an ongoing display of arrogant avoidance of legitimate questioning which even the former PM couldn&#8217;t match. </p>
<p>If you want to keep my vote Mr Rudd I suggest you have your government earn it by treating me with some respect! </p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6321</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R. Yeah, it&#039;s a great saying ain&#039;t  it? Also, your second comment, para two, was spot on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;B. Crooks: If you had read the whole post, including comments, you would realize I acknowledged that very point! Olé. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. Yeah, it&#8217;s a great saying ain&#8217;t  it? Also, your second comment, para two, was spot on.</p>
<p>B. Crooks: If you had read the whole post, including comments, you would realize I acknowledged that very point! Olé.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6322</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad Astra sorry, but last line of para three reads....&quot;Why should we be funding a committee or ten to discuss something irrelevant in the first place?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SHOULD READ: Why should we be funding a committee, or ten, to discuss it in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad Astra sorry, but last line of para three reads&#8230;.&#8221;Why should we be funding a committee or ten to discuss something irrelevant in the first place?</p>
<p>SHOULD READ: Why should we be funding a committee, or ten, to discuss it in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6323</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad Astra: I thought his comments were very much to the point. I don&#039;t like being talked down to. And it&#039;s certainly not a case of wanting the Libs back. It is merely good manners not to talk down to people..&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m getting more than a little less amused with this prissy little pri*k, with his patronizing the proletariat, spending outrageous amounts of our money in subsidizing foreign car manufacturers, forming committees to see if the original 20, 000 committees, and their 100,000 sub-committees are working or not. As far as I&#039;m concerned he can take them all and shove them up where the sun don&#039;t shine.&lt;br /&gt;And I voted for him! God alone knows what his opponents have to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BTW: Why can&#039;t you email Crikey if you want to get in touch with them? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad Astra: I thought his comments were very much to the point. I don&#8217;t like being talked down to. And it&#8217;s certainly not a case of wanting the Libs back. It is merely good manners not to talk down to people..<br />I&#8217;m getting more than a little less amused with this prissy little pri*k, with his patronizing the proletariat, spending outrageous amounts of our money in subsidizing foreign car manufacturers, forming committees to see if the original 20, 000 committees, and their 100,000 sub-committees are working or not. As far as I&#8217;m concerned he can take them all and shove them up where the sun don&#8217;t shine.<br />And I voted for him! God alone knows what his opponents have to say.</p>
<p>BTW: Why can&#8217;t you email Crikey if you want to get in touch with them?</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto and on yer Bernard. If we&#039;re trying to shift them up a gear on eloquent lucid language lets add mums and dads and kiddies to the list of this boring vernacular that&#039;s supposed to engage with us ordinary Australians. Maybe its time to distribute MPs with dictionaries and a thesaurus or simply send them off to ABC Learning to oversee expenditure of our taxes this time round. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto and on yer Bernard. If we&#8217;re trying to shift them up a gear on eloquent lucid language lets add mums and dads and kiddies to the list of this boring vernacular that&#8217;s supposed to engage with us ordinary Australians. Maybe its time to distribute MPs with dictionaries and a thesaurus or simply send them off to ABC Learning to oversee expenditure of our taxes this time round.</p>
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		<title>By: b.crooks</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6325</link>
		<dc:creator>b.crooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are quick to condemn the government for repetition, but what about the opposition, they repeat the same lines, day after day, they critisize government policy inititives, then say they agree with them, all the while not offering any solutions of their own, boy, don`t they deserve to sit in opposition for many years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are quick to condemn the government for repetition, but what about the opposition, they repeat the same lines, day after day, they critisize government policy inititives, then say they agree with them, all the while not offering any solutions of their own, boy, don`t they deserve to sit in opposition for many years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6326</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venise, they always used to say that a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee - very unfair to camels, but leaving that aside perhaps relevant to modern-day Ruddistan.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can&#039;t help wondering if &#039;working families&#039; have dropped of the radar since the revelations that working for the Rudd ministry is inimical to not only working family life, but to general human welfare.  When staffers and advisers are being worked such stupidly long hours they may as well be drunk on the job - the effect is the same and it could well explain the rash of silly, knee-jerk decisions that are coming out of the the Ruddster&#039;s office.  He reminds me of a hamster in a wheel, going flat out, day in day out, and getting nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venise, they always used to say that a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee - very unfair to camels, but leaving that aside perhaps relevant to modern-day Ruddistan.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help wondering if &#8216;working families&#8217; have dropped of the radar since the revelations that working for the Rudd ministry is inimical to not only working family life, but to general human welfare.  When staffers and advisers are being worked such stupidly long hours they may as well be drunk on the job - the effect is the same and it could well explain the rash of silly, knee-jerk decisions that are coming out of the the Ruddster&#8217;s office.  He reminds me of a hamster in a wheel, going flat out, day in day out, and getting nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Ad astra</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>Ad astra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bernard.  Not wanting to look stupid I looked through my daily email from Crikey several times but still could not find where to comment on the editorial.  If it is there, please tell me where it is.  However, I found &#039;Crikey Says&#039; on the Crikey website and near it the Comments icon.  So I&#039;ll use that in future.  It certainly is counter-intuitative.  I won&#039;t repeat my comment left on your piece; I&#039;ll leave that for you to pass on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Venise Alstergren, I don&#039;t feel Rudd is talking down to me at all.  I guess we all have different perceptions.   And I don&#039;t mind issues being referred to committees, although not to as many as you mention.  So long as the situation is not urgent, I  would sooner have the job done thoroughly with as much expert input as possible, than it be rushed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bernard.  Not wanting to look stupid I looked through my daily email from Crikey several times but still could not find where to comment on the editorial.  If it is there, please tell me where it is.  However, I found &#8216;Crikey Says&#8217; on the Crikey website and near it the Comments icon.  So I&#8217;ll use that in future.  It certainly is counter-intuitative.  I won&#8217;t repeat my comment left on your piece; I&#8217;ll leave that for you to pass on.</p>
<p>Venise Alstergren, I don&#8217;t feel Rudd is talking down to me at all.  I guess we all have different perceptions.   And I don&#8217;t mind issues being referred to committees, although not to as many as you mention.  So long as the situation is not urgent, I  would sooner have the job done thoroughly with as much expert input as possible, than it be rushed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Keane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6328</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Keane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can comment on the editorial via the &quot;Comment&quot; feature under the &quot;Crikey Says&quot; section of the site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Counter-intuitive, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can comment on the editorial via the &#8220;Comment&#8221; feature under the &#8220;Crikey Says&#8221; section of the site.</p>
<p>Counter-intuitive, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/11/10/death-to-working-families-rudd-gets-decisive/#comment-6329</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad Astra. My intellect doesn&#039;t resent his crossing every &#039;t&#039; and dotting every &#039;i&#039;, but my tolerance minds it a lot. I just wish he would cut to the chase without all the waffle.  In order to put his ideas to the average voter (who wont be listening anyway because their interest starts and stops with the sports pages) he comes out with a vaguely hectoring attitude.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My main gripe is he has brought his bureaucratic mind to mandate all these committees; thereby conning the public into believing they are necessary: for the good of the country, which is more waffle. Anyone who has the most elementary of political knowledge knows the formation of committees is merely a way to find &lt;br /&gt;something to occupy the  time of the endless bureaucrats who infest Canberra. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m happy for your sake that you don&#039;t mind these committees. However, for the life of me I cannot remember the last time a committee achieved anything of importance. Look at that extraordinary &#039;meeting of the minds&#039; in Canberra he called shortly after his election. I beg you to tell me in what way the taxpayer benefited by that little ho-down? After all, it was just another committee, but a bit larger. Also, if an issue is not madly important, why should we be funding a committee or ten to discuss something irrelevant in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad Astra. My intellect doesn&#8217;t resent his crossing every &#8216;t&#8217; and dotting every &#8216;i&#8217;, but my tolerance minds it a lot. I just wish he would cut to the chase without all the waffle.  In order to put his ideas to the average voter (who wont be listening anyway because their interest starts and stops with the sports pages) he comes out with a vaguely hectoring attitude.</p>
<p>My main gripe is he has brought his bureaucratic mind to mandate all these committees; thereby conning the public into believing they are necessary: for the good of the country, which is more waffle. Anyone who has the most elementary of political knowledge knows the formation of committees is merely a way to find <br />something to occupy the  time of the endless bureaucrats who infest Canberra. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy for your sake that you don&#8217;t mind these committees. However, for the life of me I cannot remember the last time a committee achieved anything of importance. Look at that extraordinary &#8216;meeting of the minds&#8217; in Canberra he called shortly after his election. I beg you to tell me in what way the taxpayer benefited by that little ho-down? After all, it was just another committee, but a bit larger. Also, if an issue is not madly important, why should we be funding a committee or ten to discuss something irrelevant in the first place?</p>
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