Comments on: Comments, corrections, clarifications, and c*ckups

By: Adam Rope

Adam Rope — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Jeffrey Coombs, we weren’t discussing the earth’s temperature or CO2 concentration in our glorious geological past, because that was not the topic under discussion. And I would not go back in geological time - although I did study Geology, and recognise your terminology - to discuss temperature trends, simply because homo sapiens was not around then to make drastic and sweeping changes to the environment and atmosphere.

We were simply pointing out why Tamas Calderwood could make his claim - because 1998 was a record year, and thus anything following is not as warm. It is a deliberately misleading and deceiptful turn of phrase much beloved in the climate change sceptic camp.

By: Rachel

Rachel — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Someone has to do it: Catherine James, Evelyn Waugh was a man.

By: Jeffrey Coombs

Jeffrey Coombs — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Adam Rope, Matt Andrews and Mark Byrne all refute Tamas Calderwood’s observation on the decade long trend of global non warming by saying there is a “steadily rising long term trend”. Reference to the attached links seems to indicate 30 to 50 years as a suitable time span to eliminate “natural climatic variables” and establish “meaningful underlying trends”.

But why take 30 to 50 years, which conveniently excludes other recent non warming cycles? Why not take hundreds of years and go back to just before the last mini ice age? Better still, why not use unrefuted geological data from the last 600 million years?

Then you would notice there has been only one other period in the Earth’s 4.5 billion year climatic history where the Average Global Temperature and the Atmospheric C02 Levels have been as low as they are today, the Late Carboniferous-Early Permian Period.

Further investigation shows curiously, the Ordovician-Silurian Period (450-420 MYA) and the Jurassic-Cretaceous Period (151-132 MYA) experienced glaciations when Atmospheric C02 Levels were more than 4000 and 2000 parts per million higher than they are today.

Today, at 380 ppm, our atmosphere is CO2-impoverished, although certain scientists, environmentalists, political groups, and the news media would have us believe otherwise.

This graph shows the obvious disconnect between Average Global Temperatures and Atmospheric C02 Levels. So tell me, is 600 million years enough of a trend?

By: Cathy

Cathy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Paul Lucas echoes the myopic views of too many sitting up there in the Queensland parliament. He slams Crikey for publishing a piece that “perpetuates the idea that Indigenous Australians have the right to live by presumably their own laws and values, even if they be outside not only Australian laws, but the laws of common decency”. You know Paul, that’s how too many Qld MPs operate - outside the laws of common decency as they live by their own laws and values. Perhaps if Qld MPs stopped setting precedents like getting pinged for drink-driving and keeping their job or using their drivers as patsies for their own speeding offences, hitting bureaucrats and lying - we might then expect other Queenslanders to follow suit.

By: arty

arty — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Palm Island. What is it about the stairs at Palm Island that can cause injuries consistent with those suffered in an aeroplane crash?

By: Cathy

Cathy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Congratulations Rachel. I was a wimp.