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		<title>By: Peter Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21127</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, Interesting post. Your claims (and they were unsupported assertions) about the relative expense of specific RN producers and presenters is off the mark. I know from first hand experience. The reality is more varied and complex than you suggest. Check out what some of the &quot;stars&quot; in ABC Local Radio receive.  Although there is some real &quot;slave labour&quot; in the casualised producer cohort there. But there is some substance in your description of long staying broadcasters preventing renewal. These other points should be taken more seriously especially your comments about  &quot;sound&quot; and style (form meeting content etc) and the chronic lack of succession strategies at RN (will Robyn Williams live for ever?). Yes it is all very thin and seemingly barely thought through this latest announcement but hey, nothing new there from the plodding thinkers who manage at RN. What is more surprising is that MD Mark Scott accepts this shoddiness and even defends such sub-standard process. That is the real ongoing tragedy - very poor and under-skilled management at RN and higher with some honourable exceptions.  And talking of change-management and re-designing the style and form of programming, there seems to be virtually nobody in-house to handle that continuing and critical task who has the knowledge and weight to do it creatively and successfully.  And there is precious little culture to support the kind of process you do find in many other cutting edge creative entities: a process that ensures creative renewal, and high quality.  I hope one day the whole Valerie Geller (American talk radio &quot;guru&quot;) story can be told in relation to RN and ABC Local Radio. Another example of buying an off-the-shelf &quot;solution&quot; rather than forging a home grown and relevant approach from within to ensure an authentic distinctiveness.  I don&#039;t object to using consultants. I do object to making them the continuing touchstone thereby letting everyone off the hook from doing the heavy lifting themselves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, Interesting post. Your claims (and they were unsupported assertions) about the relative expense of specific RN producers and presenters is off the mark. I know from first hand experience. The reality is more varied and complex than you suggest. Check out what some of the &#8220;stars&#8221; in ABC Local Radio receive.  Although there is some real &#8220;slave labour&#8221; in the casualised producer cohort there. But there is some substance in your description of long staying broadcasters preventing renewal. These other points should be taken more seriously especially your comments about  &#8220;sound&#8221; and style (form meeting content etc) and the chronic lack of succession strategies at RN (will Robyn Williams live for ever?). Yes it is all very thin and seemingly barely thought through this latest announcement but hey, nothing new there from the plodding thinkers who manage at RN. What is more surprising is that MD Mark Scott accepts this shoddiness and even defends such sub-standard process. That is the real ongoing tragedy - very poor and under-skilled management at RN and higher with some honourable exceptions.  And talking of change-management and re-designing the style and form of programming, there seems to be virtually nobody in-house to handle that continuing and critical task who has the knowledge and weight to do it creatively and successfully.  And there is precious little culture to support the kind of process you do find in many other cutting edge creative entities: a process that ensures creative renewal, and high quality.  I hope one day the whole Valerie Geller (American talk radio &#8220;guru&#8221;) story can be told in relation to RN and ABC Local Radio. Another example of buying an off-the-shelf &#8220;solution&#8221; rather than forging a home grown and relevant approach from within to ensure an authentic distinctiveness.  I don&#8217;t object to using consultants. I do object to making them the continuing touchstone thereby letting everyone off the hook from doing the heavy lifting themselves</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Raggatt</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21128</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Raggatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sent this to ABC Complaints after your articles on the changes to ABC specialist broadcasting&lt;br /&gt;Your Comments:So now it comes to radio national. Lets go dumb and dumber al la BBC news in recent years.&lt;br /&gt;Lets not strain our listeners with an extended thought or argument.&lt;br /&gt;Lets cater to the mob with shattered attentions that need 120 edits a minute to stay engaged.&lt;br /&gt;Its all so bloody depressing.&lt;br /&gt;Bad enough that we lose our beloved John and Singers of Renown to natural causes, now the cretins want to kill off everything else and turn the bloody joint into Radio New Weekly.&lt;br /&gt;Actually the rot started years ago when Baroque and Beyond was shafted, I seem to recall some bright-spark trenzoid manager at the time thought we had to have the news every half an hour, I wonder where he disappeared to.&lt;br /&gt;God knows the newspapers have become light weight and becoming lighter by the day. Please DO NOT DESTROY the last place where the intellect is stimulated and truly interesting ideas are explored by people that are specialists in their fields. There may not be all that many of us but to many of us Radio National reflects a particular aspect of Australia that is informed, compassionate, aware, serious but still irreverent. Please don&#039;t bugger it up completely. Our sanity depends on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sent this to ABC Complaints after your articles on the changes to ABC specialist broadcasting<br />Your Comments:So now it comes to radio national. Lets go dumb and dumber al la BBC news in recent years.<br />Lets not strain our listeners with an extended thought or argument.<br />Lets cater to the mob with shattered attentions that need 120 edits a minute to stay engaged.<br />Its all so bloody depressing.<br />Bad enough that we lose our beloved John and Singers of Renown to natural causes, now the cretins want to kill off everything else and turn the bloody joint into Radio New Weekly.<br />Actually the rot started years ago when Baroque and Beyond was shafted, I seem to recall some bright-spark trenzoid manager at the time thought we had to have the news every half an hour, I wonder where he disappeared to.<br />God knows the newspapers have become light weight and becoming lighter by the day. Please DO NOT DESTROY the last place where the intellect is stimulated and truly interesting ideas are explored by people that are specialists in their fields. There may not be all that many of us but to many of us Radio National reflects a particular aspect of Australia that is informed, compassionate, aware, serious but still irreverent. Please don&#8217;t bugger it up completely. Our sanity depends on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Flynn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21129</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article doddsy,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RN is regrettably a somewhat marginalised and niche station, catering for the concepts ignored by the market. If it were not for programs such as Poetica, there probably would be no radio or TV coverage of poetry in Australia. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RN’s costs are laughably small and its influence far exceeds its budget. In an age of ridiculously high costs for popular entertainment production, it’s a pity government doesn’t see it fit to assist the most cerebral of radio stations.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article doddsy,</p>
<p>RN is regrettably a somewhat marginalised and niche station, catering for the concepts ignored by the market. If it were not for programs such as Poetica, there probably would be no radio or TV coverage of poetry in Australia. </p>
<p>RN’s costs are laughably small and its influence far exceeds its budget. In an age of ridiculously high costs for popular entertainment production, it’s a pity government doesn’t see it fit to assist the most cerebral of radio stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a dedicated listener living in a remote area, RN is a lifeline - keeping me in touch with current issues, interesting and informed comment and analysis, cultural shifts and alternative viewpoints.  It would be a great and lasting shame for Australia to lose such a unique and wonderful resource - and would isolate people like me, as I would not listen to the &quot;more of the same&quot; crap that is currently available on other radio stations.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a dedicated listener living in a remote area, RN is a lifeline - keeping me in touch with current issues, interesting and informed comment and analysis, cultural shifts and alternative viewpoints.  It would be a great and lasting shame for Australia to lose such a unique and wonderful resource - and would isolate people like me, as I would not listen to the &#8220;more of the same&#8221; crap that is currently available on other radio stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Norris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21131</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you Crikey for following this, and giving it some prominence!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I listen to RN for the same reason I subscribe to Crikey - the search for varied and intelligent commentary that doesn&#039;t pander to the lowest common denominator; and packs some punch. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While not being religious, I occasionally find myself listening to the Religion report, and can appreciate the quality of the program. Indeed with all the specialised reporting, its the very fact that I don&#039;t know much about these fields that I tune in. If I wanted ideas that reflected my own opinions I would talk to the mirror. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its great to stumble on an RN program you might not normally follow, and be given a new insight or perspective that your wouldn&#039;t have otherwise had. What a shame this looks set to end!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Crikey, please continue covering this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you Crikey for following this, and giving it some prominence!</p>
<p>I listen to RN for the same reason I subscribe to Crikey - the search for varied and intelligent commentary that doesn&#8217;t pander to the lowest common denominator; and packs some punch. </p>
<p>While not being religious, I occasionally find myself listening to the Religion report, and can appreciate the quality of the program. Indeed with all the specialised reporting, its the very fact that I don&#8217;t know much about these fields that I tune in. If I wanted ideas that reflected my own opinions I would talk to the mirror. </p>
<p>Its great to stumble on an RN program you might not normally follow, and be given a new insight or perspective that your wouldn&#8217;t have otherwise had. What a shame this looks set to end!</p>
<p>Crikey, please continue covering this!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21132</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My children have grown up on a steady diet of RN. Over the years their teachers have marvelled at the broad expanse of their general knowledge and their ability to converse on a wide range of issues. Often, in latter years, programs such as The Religion Report, The Media Report and The Law Report have been sources of reference for school projects and assignments. And right now my daughters aged 16, 19 and 20 and my sons aged 13 and 18 are out in the garage rustling up the placards! I can hear their indignant debate from where I sit. &lt;br /&gt;&quot;This is OUR ABC!&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&quot;Dumbed Down and Dumber?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;ABC-RN: A Bad Call-Radio Numbed&quot;&lt;br /&gt;And NO! They do NOT want to just be able to access it online. They want to be able to cook toast in the kitchen, travel in the car, sit in the garden, have a shower or just plain sit on the loo and not miss a beat of  what they affectionately refer to as &#039;The God Report&#039;, &#039;Loston Legal&#039; or &#039;Media Mash&#039;. &lt;br /&gt;Being a single mum I could not afford to give the kids a private school education but  RN has been an excellent substitute. Perhaps even superior in some aspects. They have all developed a strong sense of social justice and an ability to see people, cultures, issues and events from a broader perspective than many of their peers.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My children have grown up on a steady diet of RN. Over the years their teachers have marvelled at the broad expanse of their general knowledge and their ability to converse on a wide range of issues. Often, in latter years, programs such as The Religion Report, The Media Report and The Law Report have been sources of reference for school projects and assignments. And right now my daughters aged 16, 19 and 20 and my sons aged 13 and 18 are out in the garage rustling up the placards! I can hear their indignant debate from where I sit. <br />&#8220;This is OUR ABC!&#8221; <br />&#8220;Dumbed Down and Dumber?&#8221;<br />&#8220;ABC-RN: A Bad Call-Radio Numbed&#8221;<br />And NO! They do NOT want to just be able to access it online. They want to be able to cook toast in the kitchen, travel in the car, sit in the garden, have a shower or just plain sit on the loo and not miss a beat of  what they affectionately refer to as &#8216;The God Report&#8217;, &#8216;Loston Legal&#8217; or &#8216;Media Mash&#8217;. <br />Being a single mum I could not afford to give the kids a private school education but  RN has been an excellent substitute. Perhaps even superior in some aspects. They have all developed a strong sense of social justice and an ability to see people, cultures, issues and events from a broader perspective than many of their peers.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Crichton</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21133</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Crichton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know why Australia should not adopt the public media (radio, TV etc) that is used in the UK. The annual licence fee model would provide a great and prey certain level of income to the ABC and would prevent the gagging and starvation of Our Broadcaster as usually occurs under the Liberal National coalition. The current period of crisis in financial markets should be used as an opportunity to push some genuinely reformist legislation through the Parliament. Please start a petition to this end. All Australians with two neurones and a synapse would support it because Our ABC is the best thing going in terms of current affairs, Australian documentaries and commedy (at the very least). Great article. Thanks. Glenn Crichton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know why Australia should not adopt the public media (radio, TV etc) that is used in the UK. The annual licence fee model would provide a great and prey certain level of income to the ABC and would prevent the gagging and starvation of Our Broadcaster as usually occurs under the Liberal National coalition. The current period of crisis in financial markets should be used as an opportunity to push some genuinely reformist legislation through the Parliament. Please start a petition to this end. All Australians with two neurones and a synapse would support it because Our ABC is the best thing going in terms of current affairs, Australian documentaries and commedy (at the very least). Great article. Thanks. Glenn Crichton</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21134</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listen to nothing but RN and in particular to the programs that are to be axed. Why do I like them? Because they&#039;re run by experts and I know I&#039;ll find out stuff it would not be possible to learn elsewhere. This is a serious blunder by ABC management and Stephen Crittenden is to be applauded for sticking his neck out and blowing the whistle on them. It&#039;s time to march on Ultimo. If the banks can be nationalised then it&#039;s high time our ABC was re-claimed by its owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listen to nothing but RN and in particular to the programs that are to be axed. Why do I like them? Because they&#8217;re run by experts and I know I&#8217;ll find out stuff it would not be possible to learn elsewhere. This is a serious blunder by ABC management and Stephen Crittenden is to be applauded for sticking his neck out and blowing the whistle on them. It&#8217;s time to march on Ultimo. If the banks can be nationalised then it&#8217;s high time our ABC was re-claimed by its owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie Hellmers</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21135</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonie Hellmers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does one arm know what the other arm is doing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you subscribe to Radio National email newsletters, you will have been asked (on Oct 8) to participate in an online survey at &lt;br /&gt;http://www2b.abc.net.au/audienceresearch/RNweb/content/rnweb.asp&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;to subscribe:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/subscribe/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;let them know!&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does one arm know what the other arm is doing?</p>
<p>If you subscribe to Radio National email newsletters, you will have been asked (on Oct <img src='http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-cool.png' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> to participate in an online survey at <br /><a href="http://www2b.abc.net.au/audienceresearch/RNweb/content/rnweb.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www2b.abc.net.au/audienceresearch/RNweb/content/rnweb.asp</a></p>
<p>to subscribe:<br /><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/subscribe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/rn/subscribe/</a></p>
<p>let them know!</p>
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		<title>By: Bev H</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21136</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am furious about the axing of these valuable programs.  Local ABC and commercial radio is useless in my area.    We can&#039;t all sit online all day to gather our information.   RN is a family friend in our household.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pick up your game ABC - axe a few useless executives, Canberra Press Gallery journos and the like and keep the 8.30 am programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am furious about the axing of these valuable programs.  Local ABC and commercial radio is useless in my area.    We can&#8217;t all sit online all day to gather our information.   RN is a family friend in our household.</p>
<p>Pick up your game ABC - axe a few useless executives, Canberra Press Gallery journos and the like and keep the 8.30 am programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie </title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21137</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I adore Radio National but feel it does need a bit of freshening up.  Rachel Kohn has obviously contributed a great deal to Religion but perhaps the show could have survived if someone else was allowed to present it. The same goes for Norman Swan, Robyn Williams, Geraldine Doogue and Philip Adams -- how long have these people owned this station for? I went away from Australia for five years and switched on RN and nothing had changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adore Radio National but feel it does need a bit of freshening up.  Rachel Kohn has obviously contributed a great deal to Religion but perhaps the show could have survived if someone else was allowed to present it. The same goes for Norman Swan, Robyn Williams, Geraldine Doogue and Philip Adams&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;how long have these people owned this station for? I went away from Australia for five years and switched on RN and nothing had changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21138</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those 8.30am programs are important to me too. I did the online survey last night, thinking that it was going to ask about programs, content, values etc. It&#039;s all about the website, which is not what RN is about. The main ABC website is a good source of news when you&#039;re overseas. But for everyday listening (yes, while doing dishes, showering etc as well as while driving or enjoying a quiet cup of tea) RN is an important part of my quality of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those 8.30am programs are important to me too. I did the online survey last night, thinking that it was going to ask about programs, content, values etc. It&#8217;s all about the website, which is not what RN is about. The main ABC website is a good source of news when you&#8217;re overseas. But for everyday listening (yes, while doing dishes, showering etc as well as while driving or enjoying a quiet cup of tea) RN is an important part of my quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Diflo</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21139</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Diflo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been good if you had supplied an appropriate ABC email address for a message to be sent  directly to express our thoughts on RN. I am a Northern Territory resident and listen to RN every day.&lt;br /&gt;Kevin Diflo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been good if you had supplied an appropriate ABC email address for a message to be sent  directly to express our thoughts on RN. I am a Northern Territory resident and listen to RN every day.<br />Kevin Diflo</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21140</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we take some sort of collective action on this? I don&#039;t think any RN listener (or staff) is happy about these developments. At the very least we need to demonstrate that they can&#039;t do this to us again without ramifications, or I&#039;m sure there will be more of such changes in the future&lt;br /&gt;(Does someone want to set up an external message board so we can throw some ideas around? We&#039;ve needed one for years anyway)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we take some sort of collective action on this? I don&#8217;t think any RN listener (or staff) is happy about these developments. At the very least we need to demonstrate that they can&#8217;t do this to us again without ramifications, or I&#8217;m sure there will be more of such changes in the future<br />(Does someone want to set up an external message board so we can throw some ideas around? We&#8217;ve needed one for years anyway)</p>
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		<title>By: Western Wombat</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21141</link>
		<dc:creator>Western Wombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke is not a reactionary - he likes fran kelly! And I worship Ghengis Khan. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But can someone direct me to the URL where the ABC MD announced these changes? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And like others, apart from emailing many friends and acquaintances about these undesirable cuts, I would like to locate an effective focus for lobbying for the reversal or modification of this decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps Getup! http://www.getup.org.au/  ?? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke is not a reactionary - he likes fran kelly! And I worship Ghengis Khan. </p>
<p>But can someone direct me to the URL where the ABC MD announced these changes? </p>
<p>And like others, apart from emailing many friends and acquaintances about these undesirable cuts, I would like to locate an effective focus for lobbying for the reversal or modification of this decision.</p>
<p>Perhaps Getup! <a href="http://www.getup.org.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getup.org.au/</a>  ??</p>
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		<title>By: archie macdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21142</link>
		<dc:creator>archie macdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, &lt;br /&gt;you sound like you work for Radio management or ABC local radio but had an unsatisfactory stint at RN. Could you be one of those ungenerous people who crack jokes about RN being &quot;Nursing home radio&quot;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You characterise RN as &quot;stodgy&quot; &quot;old&quot;  &quot;poor value&quot;. You are obviously unaware it was RN ( their unsung heroes  John Jacobs, Natasha Mitchell ,and several others) who introduced podcasting to Australian radio. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before that, they were the only ABC network to take  up streaming audio with gusto. Like so many good ideas at the ABC this came from the talented pool of staff, not from management. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Online content and on-air content are two sides of the same coin - you cannot diminish one without diminishing the other. I agree that some tweaking is necessary but wholesale cuts like this just waste precious energy on needless animosity. And besides, Crittenden  didn&#039;t deserve this if ratings were the only consideration, even if some of the other shows might have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;True, staff costs are high at RN but everything else is run a shoe string. You only have to look at the stained carpets and op-shop furniture to tell that. Not so long ago all RN staff were briefed on their network&#039;s &quot;online future&quot; and effectively asked to produce additional online content with no extra resources. With a few reservations, they agreed. What does that say for the &quot;lazy broadcasters&quot;?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, <br />you sound like you work for Radio management or ABC local radio but had an unsatisfactory stint at RN. Could you be one of those ungenerous people who crack jokes about RN being &#8220;Nursing home radio&#8221;?</p>
<p>You characterise RN as &#8220;stodgy&#8221; &#8220;old&#8221;  &#8220;poor value&#8221;. You are obviously unaware it was RN ( their unsung heroes  John Jacobs, Natasha Mitchell ,and several others) who introduced podcasting to Australian radio. </p>
<p>Before that, they were the only ABC network to take  up streaming audio with gusto. Like so many good ideas at the ABC this came from the talented pool of staff, not from management. </p>
<p>Online content and on-air content are two sides of the same coin - you cannot diminish one without diminishing the other. I agree that some tweaking is necessary but wholesale cuts like this just waste precious energy on needless animosity. And besides, Crittenden  didn&#8217;t deserve this if ratings were the only consideration, even if some of the other shows might have.</p>
<p>True, staff costs are high at RN but everything else is run a shoe string. You only have to look at the stained carpets and op-shop furniture to tell that. Not so long ago all RN staff were briefed on their network&#8217;s &#8220;online future&#8221; and effectively asked to produce additional online content with no extra resources. With a few reservations, they agreed. What does that say for the &#8220;lazy broadcasters&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Norelle Feehan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>Norelle Feehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wy are w bailing out executives while integrity gets axed.  shame on the ABC and those decision-makers.  Oh I guess it&#039;ll be a re-run of the goons!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wy are w bailing out executives while integrity gets axed.  shame on the ABC and those decision-makers.  Oh I guess it&#8217;ll be a re-run of the goons!</p>
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		<title>By: val buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21144</link>
		<dc:creator>val buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radio National is the only station that I can listen to.....because I love the diversity&lt;br /&gt;and quality of their productions. &lt;br /&gt;Please do not subject me to more talk back .(Such a cheap way of filling the airwaves).&lt;br /&gt; It is the station you can rely on. Always interesting, searching, with both feet in the real world.I am happy to podcast, but want to be able to leave my radio on 5.76 and know that I am going to be treated  respectfully, and like an intelligent human being. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radio National is the only station that I can listen to&#8230;..because I love the diversity<br />and quality of their productions. <br />Please do not subject me to more talk back .(Such a cheap way of filling the airwaves).<br /> It is the station you can rely on. Always interesting, searching, with both feet in the real world.I am happy to podcast, but want to be able to leave my radio on 5.76 and know that I am going to be treated  respectfully, and like an intelligent human being. </p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21145</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew is there something we can do? Those 5 1/2hr programs each morning are precious -  insightful, thoughtful and intelligent. If 3 are to go I  imagine it won&#039;t be long before the other 2 follow.  Health and Law watch out !The Religion Report is covering subjects and people not normally given a voice. Different religions are covered in such a respectful and inquiring way. To understand faith (or lack of) is something most of us try to do.  To listen to a religion report without any agenda is, I would imagine, rare. Is there anything similar in Australia let alone the world? Re the Media Report - you said it all.&lt;br /&gt;Sports factor again is on a different level to most of the garbage we are served up.  Not a sports nut but I thoroughly enjoy the width and breadth of sports covered,each of interest in a special way.  Don&#039;t get me started on the axing of Perspective and In Conversation.  So much of our listening or viewing is conducted in 5 minute grabs, never long enough to ask the questions so we can actually grasp the subject. Can we start a petition? - where are &quot;Friends of the ABC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew is there something we can do? Those 5 1/2hr programs each morning are precious -  insightful, thoughtful and intelligent. If 3 are to go I  imagine it won&#8217;t be long before the other 2 follow.  Health and Law watch out !The Religion Report is covering subjects and people not normally given a voice. Different religions are covered in such a respectful and inquiring way. To understand faith (or lack of) is something most of us try to do.  To listen to a religion report without any agenda is, I would imagine, rare. Is there anything similar in Australia let alone the world? Re the Media Report - you said it all.<br />Sports factor again is on a different level to most of the garbage we are served up.  Not a sports nut but I thoroughly enjoy the width and breadth of sports covered,each of interest in a special way.  Don&#8217;t get me started on the axing of Perspective and In Conversation.  So much of our listening or viewing is conducted in 5 minute grabs, never long enough to ask the questions so we can actually grasp the subject. Can we start a petition? - where are &#8220;Friends of the ABC?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21146</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Andrew Dodd! How do we stop the rot at Radio National? I doubt very much that Mark Scott will listen to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Andrew Dodd! How do we stop the rot at Radio National? I doubt very much that Mark Scott will listen to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21147</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Crikey for following up when things are happening at the ABC. Thanks to Andrew Dodd and Stephen Crittendon for bringing this out into the light of day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Radio National doesn&#039;t need to be dumbed down in any way. The current programming schedule works well and doesn&#039;t seem to have too many gaps in the sort of intellectual content that is provided. Most doesn&#039;t appear anywhere else in the Australian media. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Radio National is unique in radio broadcasting in Australia, as is ABC FM.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am seriously concerned at the apparent dumbing down of programming. I&#039;m furious that the 8:30 morning line up is to be scratched out. I love what is there. I&#039;m not religious but I love to hear the wider views that the presenters of the Religion Report and other Religious programmes provide. The Sports Factor has always given a view of &quot;real&quot; sport in real life with some sport history that isn&#039;t well known. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t think I got an offer to contribute to the survey although I get emails for some programmes like Background Briefing. I&#039;m not on the RN mailing list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can I do? I will send an email to  the address noted on the webpage but I&#039;d rather know the email address of the programming director. Does anyone have these details please. Don&#039;t the ABC have a feedback page somewhere on their Website?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to paper and posting a letter I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Crikey for following up when things are happening at the ABC. Thanks to Andrew Dodd and Stephen Crittendon for bringing this out into the light of day.</p>
<p>Radio National doesn&#8217;t need to be dumbed down in any way. The current programming schedule works well and doesn&#8217;t seem to have too many gaps in the sort of intellectual content that is provided. Most doesn&#8217;t appear anywhere else in the Australian media. </p>
<p>Radio National is unique in radio broadcasting in Australia, as is ABC FM.  </p>
<p>I am seriously concerned at the apparent dumbing down of programming. I&#8217;m furious that the 8:30 morning line up is to be scratched out. I love what is there. I&#8217;m not religious but I love to hear the wider views that the presenters of the Religion Report and other Religious programmes provide. The Sports Factor has always given a view of &#8220;real&#8221; sport in real life with some sport history that isn&#8217;t well known. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I got an offer to contribute to the survey although I get emails for some programmes like Background Briefing. I&#8217;m not on the RN mailing list.</p>
<p>What can I do? I will send an email to  the address noted on the webpage but I&#8217;d rather know the email address of the programming director. Does anyone have these details please. Don&#8217;t the ABC have a feedback page somewhere on their Website?</p>
<p>Back to paper and posting a letter I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lawson</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21148</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with Andrew Dodd on the further dumbing down of Radio National through axing those great specialist programs, and especially the Media Report. What will be next in this relentless stupidity that plagues the ABC? But what to do about it? A few of us will get around to writing letters of protest but most won&#039;t find the time. Can we recruit Getup to run a campaign for us, or maybe even Crikey can do it.&lt;br /&gt;Getup gets many thousands to sign its petitions via its email-based campaigns and the sheer numbers of supporters must make an impression. How about it, Crikey?&lt;br /&gt;Eric Lawson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with Andrew Dodd on the further dumbing down of Radio National through axing those great specialist programs, and especially the Media Report. What will be next in this relentless stupidity that plagues the ABC? But what to do about it? A few of us will get around to writing letters of protest but most won&#8217;t find the time. Can we recruit Getup to run a campaign for us, or maybe even Crikey can do it.<br />Getup gets many thousands to sign its petitions via its email-based campaigns and the sheer numbers of supporters must make an impression. How about it, Crikey?<br />Eric Lawson</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent this today to: Nicola Fern, Marketing Manager ABC Radio National&lt;br /&gt;PH: (03) 9626 1758 or 0418 494 252&lt;br /&gt;E: fern.nicola@abc.net.au&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not entirely clear to me what RN programs are to be cut for 2009. From your media release of the 15th at http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm  I can identify that planned closures include the Religion and Media Reports, Sports Factor, Radio Eye and Street Stories. Are there others? All of the planned closures I consider to represent a significant loss, and will be missed by many of your listeners. I suggest you run a survey to check attitudes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the loss of the Media Report would be unfortunate, given Australia&#039;s obscene concentration of media ownership, but perhaps that is why management has taken the axe to it. Given that it costs the ABC almost nothing, and is valued by so many readers, I can think of no other reason for the Corporation&#039;s short-sighted decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And while you&#039;re rethinking your programming, what about bringing the environment back into the mainstream. It is absurd not to have an environmental program in these days when the environment is emerging as the dominant issue of the 21st century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We had hoped that ABC would do better under Labor - I am sorry to see that this hope appears to have been misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent this today to: Nicola Fern, Marketing Manager ABC Radio National<br />PH: (03) 9626 1758 or 0418 494 252<br />E: <a href="mailto:fern.nicola@abc.net.au">fern.nicola@abc.net.au</a></p>
<p>It is not entirely clear to me what RN programs are to be cut for 2009. From your media release of the 15th at <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm</a>  I can identify that planned closures include the Religion and Media Reports, Sports Factor, Radio Eye and Street Stories. Are there others? All of the planned closures I consider to represent a significant loss, and will be missed by many of your listeners. I suggest you run a survey to check attitudes. </p>
<p>I think the loss of the Media Report would be unfortunate, given Australia&#8217;s obscene concentration of media ownership, but perhaps that is why management has taken the axe to it. Given that it costs the ABC almost nothing, and is valued by so many readers, I can think of no other reason for the Corporation&#8217;s short-sighted decision.</p>
<p>And while you&#8217;re rethinking your programming, what about bringing the environment back into the mainstream. It is absurd not to have an environmental program in these days when the environment is emerging as the dominant issue of the 21st century.</p>
<p>We had hoped that ABC would do better under Labor - I am sorry to see that this hope appears to have been misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: xazron</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21150</link>
		<dc:creator>xazron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rural listeners are again diminshed to indifference  to the ABC&#039;s city centric managements contempt. I don&#039;t have the option to switch radio waves to have a cities air waves choice when it comes to diverse intelligence anaylsis. I don&#039;t have well stocked bookshops to purchase first hand opinions. I don&#039;t have speedy internet. What I have is Radio National and its well read and thought through presentors of programmes such as The Religion report etc. I am soo tired of being discriminated against and offered dummed down choices. Where is a National Party political support comment when you need it. Royalities for Regions... tax dollar value. Culture and intelligence standards! Brendan? Barney?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rural listeners are again diminshed to indifference  to the ABC&#8217;s city centric managements contempt. I don&#8217;t have the option to switch radio waves to have a cities air waves choice when it comes to diverse intelligence anaylsis. I don&#8217;t have well stocked bookshops to purchase first hand opinions. I don&#8217;t have speedy internet. What I have is Radio National and its well read and thought through presentors of programmes such as The Religion report etc. I am soo tired of being discriminated against and offered dummed down choices. Where is a National Party political support comment when you need it. Royalities for Regions&#8230; tax dollar value. Culture and intelligence standards! Brendan? Barney?</p>
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		<title>By: archie macdonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/16/the-dumbing-down-of-radio-national/#comment-21151</link>
		<dc:creator>archie macdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those who wanted to see the official press release, its here:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Email submissions and phonecalls will be acknowledged  and read but will not necessarily receive anything but a form response. Emails with attached documents count as letters IF they have name, address, and telephone number. Petitions, particularly email or web based are useless.&lt;br /&gt;The only way to make a worthwhile submission is IN WRITING.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the board:&lt;br /&gt;ABC Secretariat, &lt;br /&gt;GPO Box 9994, Sydney NSW 2001, &lt;br /&gt;telephone (02) 8333 5312, or email: boardATyour.abc.net.au &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the Managing Director:&lt;br /&gt;Mr Mark Scott,&lt;br /&gt;Managing Director&lt;br /&gt;ABC&lt;br /&gt;GPO Box 9994, Sydney NSW 2001,&lt;br /&gt; telephone (02) 8333 5312, or email: boardATyour.abc.net.au &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those who wanted to see the official press release, its here:<br /><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/media/s2392190.htm</a></p>
<p>Email submissions and phonecalls will be acknowledged  and read but will not necessarily receive anything but a form response. Emails with attached documents count as letters IF they have name, address, and telephone number. Petitions, particularly email or web based are useless.<br />The only way to make a worthwhile submission is IN WRITING.</p>
<p>To the board:<br />ABC Secretariat, <br />GPO Box 9994, Sydney NSW 2001, <br />telephone (02) 8333 5312, or email: boardATyour.abc.net.au </p>
<p>To the Managing Director:<br />Mr Mark Scott,<br />Managing Director<br />ABC<br />GPO Box 9994, Sydney NSW 2001,<br /> telephone (02) 8333 5312, or email: boardATyour.abc.net.au </p>
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