Comments on: Garnaut focuses on stuff that might work

By: Glenn Brandham

Glenn Brandham — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Last month 60 Minutes (ch 9) visited the North Pole, very nearly sailed right over what used to be an expanse of ice. Last week, the Courier Mail carried a story about the bumper summer crop of wheat being grown in Greenland. To the people who believe that the Earth is cooling, I have a question. What proof do you have? It seems that even the mass media cannot support your position.

By: Stevo the Working Twistie

Stevo the Working Twistie — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Right on Lindsay! You know, my neighbour was telling me that he had to wear a cardie TWO MORNINGS IN A ROW last week, in the LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER! He reckons this global warming business is a load of bunk too.

By: Mandy

Mandy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Can someone smarter than me, take Miranda Devine down!….

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/act-hastily-roo-the-scare-tactics/2008/10/01/1222651169023.html

Why am I seeing a correlation between christianity and denialism?

By: Tom McLoughlin

Tom McLoughlin — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

I tend to agree with both comment authors above - there probably is a little bit of a cooling effect from an elevated anthropogenic upward trend. And I think I know why - particulate pollution out of China and Asia generally as rough dirty industrialisation takes it’s course causing some enhanced global dimming. Which is like foot on climate change accelerator and brake at the same time. Something is bound to break. That would be our planet …

By: Daniel Gara

Daniel Gara — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Lucy, you wrote “Those people who claim the earth is really cooling are hilarious. Don’t they think the climate scientists might have noticed a little fact that utterly contradicts everything they’ve been talking about for the last fifteen years?”

Isn’t the reason that the term ‘global warming’ has been replaced by ‘climate change’ evidence that scientists believe that there is cooling in places as well as warming? (similar to what has been going on for millions of years)

By: Lucy

Lucy — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Those people who claim the earth is really cooling are hilarious. Don’t they think the climate scientists might have noticed a little fact that utterly contradicts everything they’ve been talking about for the last fifteen years?

The BCA (and all the people who comment on The Land website) need to be dealt with exactly as above. Don’t argue with them about whether the future of the planet should be compromised for the sake of their profit margin. Just point out that climate change is fundamentally an economic issue - and that addressing it head-on is the least bad solution.

By: marty

marty — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Lucy, i know its hard to imagine how so much media - including this website, could be telling lies and selling hype to us all. However, Lindsay is right, the evidence proves they are doing just this.

Here is the antichrist to al gores doco - google video search “global warming or global governance”…it debunks gore and the basics of mass media climate evidence frighteningly well. Have fun

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Lucy, can you please direct me to the evidence and facts for proof, not the theory based comments you make.

If you look at real evidence you may just find that the earth has in fact been cooling for some years now. The climate change scientists you refer to keep ignoring it to suit their own agendas/jobs.

If you think the scientists who have the facts regarding the cooling are hilarious, I suggest you do some actual study on the issue rather than sprouting the new religion and the joke being on you.

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

By: Evan

Evan — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000

Carrying on about whether or not the planet is cooling this week, or hotter the last year is a misnomer and not really relevant. The link between high CO2 levels and high temperatures is very strong, essentially irrefutable. CO2 levels are currently as high as they've ever been. Ergo, it will probably get hotter IN THE LONG TERM.

The problem comes from modelling a complex system. I recommend everyone takes a course in Dynamics and Control, or read James Gleick's "Chaos". In a driven system, ie one where energy is being input, it is very difficult to predict the movement of the system in the short term. What this means for the climate is that it might cool in Australia for a year, or get hotter for a month somewhere else, but ultimately, over the 50 year time frame Garnaut is discussing, the average will go up.

Unless it goes back down, because the rising temperature has caused the Greenland ice sheet to fail and stop the Gulf Stream. Which is another possibility. But that's another story.