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	<title>Comments on: Abortion in Catholic hospitals: what would Jesus do?</title>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25286</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article bracketed by two untuously patronising but &#039;catchy&#039; propositions which says much about the author. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article implicitly suggests that Catholic health care providers are being unsociably difficult, presumably for alluding to the moral difficulties of providing emergency obstetric services in a state would allow abortion without question up to 6 month gestation and longer with two medical signatures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so they should.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You would not need be a Catholic to have the self same difficulty.......&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article bracketed by two untuously patronising but &#8216;catchy&#8217; propositions which says much about the author. </p>
<p>The article implicitly suggests that Catholic health care providers are being unsociably difficult, presumably for alluding to the moral difficulties of providing emergency obstetric services in a state would allow abortion without question up to 6 month gestation and longer with two medical signatures.</p>
<p>And so they should.</p>
<p>You would not need be a Catholic to have the self same difficulty&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: graham dunton</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25287</link>
		<dc:creator>graham dunton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, if Melbourne Archbishop Denis Hart changed his prehistoric mind set. Allowing full and frank sex education in all Catholic Schools, and heaven forbid the use of condoms, even if they do have rosary beads built in.&lt;br /&gt;The Abortion rate would drop substantially, as would STD and Aids infections.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, if Melbourne Archbishop Denis Hart changed his prehistoric mind set. Allowing full and frank sex education in all Catholic Schools, and heaven forbid the use of condoms, even if they do have rosary beads built in.<br />The Abortion rate would drop substantially, as would STD and Aids infections.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25288</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this article raises some good points, I don&#039;t know anything about the proposed laws and am still none the wiser.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also think the &quot;What Would Jesus Do&quot; title is somewhat rhetoric, and would in no way affect Catholic policy. A lot of contemporary Catholic policy seems to fly in the face of Jesus&#039;s teachings, supported by various interpretations of the Bible. My understanding was always that Jesus accepted all people; hung out with prostitutes, lepers, the social pariahs of the time. Now, Catholics openly vilify gays, and worship riches in ways that would have deeply offended their founder, who overturned tax collectors tables in the temple. I&#039;m not going to go any further with this, except to say that I don&#039;t associate the Catholic Church with an organisation trying dilligently to uphold Jesus&#039;s teachings, rather as an organisation trying desperately to maintain control, by manipulating opinion in any way that can support their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this article raises some good points, I don&#8217;t know anything about the proposed laws and am still none the wiser.</p>
<p>I also think the &#8220;What Would Jesus Do&#8221; title is somewhat rhetoric, and would in no way affect Catholic policy. A lot of contemporary Catholic policy seems to fly in the face of Jesus&#8217;s teachings, supported by various interpretations of the Bible. My understanding was always that Jesus accepted all people; hung out with prostitutes, lepers, the social pariahs of the time. Now, Catholics openly vilify gays, and worship riches in ways that would have deeply offended their founder, who overturned tax collectors tables in the temple. I&#8217;m not going to go any further with this, except to say that I don&#8217;t associate the Catholic Church with an organisation trying dilligently to uphold Jesus&#8217;s teachings, rather as an organisation trying desperately to maintain control, by manipulating opinion in any way that can support their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: RJG</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25289</link>
		<dc:creator>RJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst the catholic church promotes its dogma on anything to do with reproduction as being the Word of God. It is not. It is a human construct based on many elements and ideas including  the interpretion of biblical texts, historical events, various cultures and the self interest of many of it&#039;s popes and supporting monarchys over the ages.  It must be rememebered that priests have not always been celibate and I recall that there was a bit of trouble caused to quite a few people which resulted in them fast tracking to hell during the inquisition.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When one looks at the &quot;flexibility&quot; that the Catholic church approaches other issues such as war, the forgiveness of sin  (indulgences) and the more outrageous effects of capitalism on the poor, I&#039;m sure they will be able to find an accomodation with this piece of legislation without shutting down the system.  A doctor who is not willing to perform an abortion  because of  concscience has a duty of care to that patient which can be discharged by a referral.  No one is asking them to refer the patient for an abortion, they are being asked to refer the patient to someone who can help them.  This hysterical reaction to the issue is a good measure of how desperate they are. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the catholic health system is fantastic. I have been a beneficiary of it  and I think that those who work in it and actually run it will probably cope without the advice of politically inspired Bishops.  That,s the main problem.  The organisation is top heavy. Noone down the bottom is allwed to think for themselves. The doctors consciences aren&#039;t theirs, they are the churches!&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst the catholic church promotes its dogma on anything to do with reproduction as being the Word of God. It is not. It is a human construct based on many elements and ideas including  the interpretion of biblical texts, historical events, various cultures and the self interest of many of it&#8217;s popes and supporting monarchys over the ages.  It must be rememebered that priests have not always been celibate and I recall that there was a bit of trouble caused to quite a few people which resulted in them fast tracking to hell during the inquisition.  </p>
<p>When one looks at the &#8220;flexibility&#8221; that the Catholic church approaches other issues such as war, the forgiveness of sin  (indulgences) and the more outrageous effects of capitalism on the poor, I&#8217;m sure they will be able to find an accomodation with this piece of legislation without shutting down the system.  A doctor who is not willing to perform an abortion  because of  concscience has a duty of care to that patient which can be discharged by a referral.  No one is asking them to refer the patient for an abortion, they are being asked to refer the patient to someone who can help them.  This hysterical reaction to the issue is a good measure of how desperate they are. </p>
<p>I think the catholic health system is fantastic. I have been a beneficiary of it  and I think that those who work in it and actually run it will probably cope without the advice of politically inspired Bishops.  That,s the main problem.  The organisation is top heavy. Noone down the bottom is allwed to think for themselves. The doctors consciences aren&#8217;t theirs, they are the churches!</p>
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		<title>By: Petert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25290</link>
		<dc:creator>Petert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer Doggett asks a very salient question, &#039;What Would Jesus Do?&#039;. The best way to find out the answer is to discover what He DID do. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of His many comments on children was recorded by His disciple Matthew, &#039;Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Herod, on the other hand, is infamous for making a political decision, and slaughtering many hundreds of little children - though nowhere near as many as are killed in Australia every year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whose example should we be following?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Doggett asks a very salient question, &#8216;What Would Jesus Do?&#8217;. The best way to find out the answer is to discover what He DID do. </p>
<p>One of His many comments on children was recorded by His disciple Matthew, &#8216;Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven.&#8217; </p>
<p>King Herod, on the other hand, is infamous for making a political decision, and slaughtering many hundreds of little children - though nowhere near as many as are killed in Australia every year.</p>
<p>Whose example should we be following?  </p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25291</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish all these pro abortionists and pro abortion politicians would go and learn how to kill unborn babies. Politicians should not be using their conscience vote to  coerce others into doing their dirty work for them.&lt;br /&gt;I ask any pro abortionist reading this blog, would you like to do a partial birth abortion? Would you like to deliver a fully formed fetus, so its body (except for its head, which is still in the mothers cervix) i s outside of the mother,  and then stab the baby in the brain with a pair of scissors? Or perhaps you would like to give a 32 week old fetus a lethal injection into its heart, because it may be a dwarf? Some people must really hate babies when they will sanction these procedures. By the way , the fetus at this point is capable of feeling pain. Our politicians seem to have no pity for unborn babies, but hey the unborn don&#039;t have a vote do they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish all these pro abortionists and pro abortion politicians would go and learn how to kill unborn babies. Politicians should not be using their conscience vote to  coerce others into doing their dirty work for them.<br />I ask any pro abortionist reading this blog, would you like to do a partial birth abortion? Would you like to deliver a fully formed fetus, so its body (except for its head, which is still in the mothers cervix) i s outside of the mother,  and then stab the baby in the brain with a pair of scissors? Or perhaps you would like to give a 32 week old fetus a lethal injection into its heart, because it may be a dwarf? Some people must really hate babies when they will sanction these procedures. By the way , the fetus at this point is capable of feeling pain. Our politicians seem to have no pity for unborn babies, but hey the unborn don&#8217;t have a vote do they?</p>
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		<title>By: Juliette Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25292</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliette Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right for a woman to choose whether to continue a pregnancy is an important part of our pluralist secular culture and many Catholics support this (as I do). It&#039;s a matter of  personal conscience. But coercion should never be part of that. No-one should be forced to take part in a process that they completely disagree with. No doctor should be forced to be a referral service to something she or he believes is unethical. If a conscience vote was essential to the law being passed, why isn&#039;t conscience being allowed here? This is draconian and undemocratic. The right to choose should be a legal right for all: that is, the right to choose whether or not to be involved in an abortion. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right for a woman to choose whether to continue a pregnancy is an important part of our pluralist secular culture and many Catholics support this (as I do). It&#8217;s a matter of  personal conscience. But coercion should never be part of that. No-one should be forced to take part in a process that they completely disagree with. No doctor should be forced to be a referral service to something she or he believes is unethical. If a conscience vote was essential to the law being passed, why isn&#8217;t conscience being allowed here? This is draconian and undemocratic. The right to choose should be a legal right for all: that is, the right to choose whether or not to be involved in an abortion. </p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/24/abortion-in-catholic-hospitals-what-would-jesus-do/#comment-25293</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJG: &quot;The doctors consciences aren&#039;t theirs, they are the churches!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speak for yourself you idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJG: &#8220;The doctors consciences aren&#8217;t theirs, they are the churches!&#8221;</p>
<p>Speak for yourself you idiot.</p>
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