Comments on: Rage, identity, class and the Aboriginal laboratory http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:48:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ben Aveling http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2853 Ben Aveling Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2853 Mark, an Oreo is a type of biscuit, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oreo if you wish. But given the context, I think all that's necessary here is to point out that an Oreo is black on the outside, white on the inside. I've heard mainland Chinese describe Overseas Chinese as Banana's for much the same reason. Mark, an Oreo is a type of biscuit, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oreo if you wish. But given the context, I think all that’s necessary here is to point out that an Oreo is black on the outside, white on the inside. I’ve heard mainland Chinese describe Overseas Chinese as Banana’s for much the same reason.

]]> By: Onionista http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2854 Onionista Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2854 Fair enough indeed. None of the K-town linguistmob know, so we'd be quite interested if it was a colleague, but understand about public implications. Fair enough indeed. None of the K-town linguistmob know, so we’d be quite interested if it was a colleague, but understand about public implications.

]]> By: Onionista http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2855 Onionista Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2855 I work in the NT in linguist-related work. I'd be interested in knowing more about the suspended linguist as no linguists I've spoken to here have heard about this. Any hints? I work in the NT in linguist-related work. I’d be interested in knowing more about the suspended linguist as no linguists I’ve spoken to here have heard about this. Any hints?

]]> By: Jenny http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2856 Jenny Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2856 Sounds like the book store fella was what some Territorians call a coconut - black on the outside, white on the inside. <br />Beyond Rage, what I do find interesting is the gob-smackingly arrogant assumption by our politicians and bureaucrats (and an alarmingly high proportion of both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal middle class people - Noel Pearson among them) that whitefella culture and aspirations are, of course, what all Aboriginal people aspire to - doesn't everyone want to be wage slaves and in major debt (mortgages) for their whole lives? Of course they do! It's the peak of human aspiration, the creme de la creme of culture..... <br />The NTER (Intervention) review is being done by Pollanna Consulting - mission statement "We tell you what you pay to hear". An NT linguist has been suspended from his employment for daring to challenge the usefulness of the review - as there has been no attempt made to speak to Aboriginal people or explain things in their own language. Anyone who looks like they might challenge the NTER is being silenced - either through fear of losing their jobs, or through being ignored during the "consultation" process. Aren't we supposed to be living in a democracy?<br />Lastly, one school of thought suggests that rage and depression are aspects of the same emotion - that depression is rage turned on the self. The NTER and the NT Shires local government system have between them removed all vestiges of Aboriginal control of their own lives. No bloody wonder Aboriginal people are angry. Sounds like the book store fella was what some Territorians call a coconut - black on the outside, white on the inside.
Beyond Rage, what I do find interesting is the gob-smackingly arrogant assumption by our politicians and bureaucrats (and an alarmingly high proportion of both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal middle class people - Noel Pearson among them) that whitefella culture and aspirations are, of course, what all Aboriginal people aspire to - doesn’t everyone want to be wage slaves and in major debt (mortgages) for their whole lives? Of course they do! It’s the peak of human aspiration, the creme de la creme of culture…..
The NTER (Intervention) review is being done by Pollanna Consulting - mission statement “We tell you what you pay to hear”. An NT linguist has been suspended from his employment for daring to challenge the usefulness of the review - as there has been no attempt made to speak to Aboriginal people or explain things in their own language. Anyone who looks like they might challenge the NTER is being silenced - either through fear of losing their jobs, or through being ignored during the “consultation” process. Aren’t we supposed to be living in a democracy?
Lastly, one school of thought suggests that rage and depression are aspects of the same emotion - that depression is rage turned on the self. The NTER and the NT Shires local government system have between them removed all vestiges of Aboriginal control of their own lives. No bloody wonder Aboriginal people are angry.

]]> By: Bernard Keane http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2857 Bernard Keane Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2857 Superb piss-take. Well done. Even the name is dead on and funny. Superb piss-take. Well done. Even the name is dead on and funny.

]]> By: Jenny http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2858 Jenny Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2858 Hello Onionista - I would need the permission of the suspended person before i could give you any hints as to identity! Don't want to make the person concerned more of a target. Hello Onionista - I would need the permission of the suspended person before i could give you any hints as to identity! Don’t want to make the person concerned more of a target.

]]> By: Another "old white bitch" http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2859 Another "old white bitch" Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2859 "onya" Wednesday Kennedy (I do not know who you are!!). I do not know what an Oreo is either (see Mark Duffet); nor do I know who Ellen and Portia are - I have heard of Oprah! But I have read bits of "Rage" and I am thrilled that Germaine Greer is making us squirm. What has happened to the review of the NT Intervention?? What has happened to "Sorry Day"?? Why can we not change the constitution and at last make a treaty with the First Australians? “onya” Wednesday Kennedy (I do not know who you are!!). I do not know what an Oreo is either (see Mark Duffet); nor do I know who Ellen and Portia are - I have heard of Oprah! But I have read bits of “Rage” and I am thrilled that Germaine Greer is making us squirm. What has happened to the review of the NT Intervention?? What has happened to “Sorry Day”?? Why can we not change the constitution and at last make a treaty with the First Australians?

]]> By: Damo http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2860 Damo Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2860 Did I miss something in the story here? I'm unsure which part allows you to disregard the book store clerk's point of view; the fact he doesn't look aboriginal or is possibly gay? The fact he agrees with Noel Pearson? Or maybe the fact that he's abroiginal?<br /><br />He sounds angry to me. Telling anyone who'll listen not to buy Greer's book. Perhaps she's right and that's why he is the way he is but who are we to question him because his looks and corresponding politics don't match your idea of aboriginality Did I miss something in the story here? I’m unsure which part allows you to disregard the book store clerk’s point of view; the fact he doesn’t look aboriginal or is possibly gay? The fact he agrees with Noel Pearson? Or maybe the fact that he’s abroiginal?

He sounds angry to me. Telling anyone who’ll listen not to buy Greer’s book. Perhaps she’s right and that’s why he is the way he is but who are we to question him because his looks and corresponding politics don’t match your idea of aboriginality

]]> By: Mark Duffett http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2861 Mark Duffett Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2861 What's an Oreo? Or did you mean a Delta Cream? What’s an Oreo? Or did you mean a Delta Cream?

]]> By: Kevin Rennie http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2862 Kevin Rennie Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2862 The submission of the Australian Indigenous Doctors Association (AIDA) to the review of the NT Intervention is worth reading. Links are at http://laborview.blogspot.com/2008/08/indigenous-communities-healing-approach.html The submission of the Australian Indigenous Doctors Association (AIDA) to the review of the NT Intervention is worth reading. Links are at http://laborview.blogspot.com/2008/08/indigenous-communities-healing-approach.html

]]> By: Emma Matthews http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/28/rage-identity-class-and-the-aboriginal-laboratory/#comment-2863 Emma Matthews Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-2863 Borders in Pitt Street have helpfully placed Germaine Greer's Rage in the Fiction section... Borders in Pitt Street have helpfully placed Germaine Greer’s Rage in the Fiction section…

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