Comments on: Tips and Rumours http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/ now with extra source Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:14:46 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tim Macknay http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14981 Tim Macknay Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14981 Crikey, do you check your references? The article linked to in your "tips and rumours" section referring to a "geothermal ice melt link" makes absolutely no reference whatsoever to the melting arctic icecap, and the seabottom geothermal vents the article refers to are south of the Equator. Additionally, the notion that geothermal heat is responsible for the icecap melting is easily refutable by a simple calculation. For example, refer to comment #21 on this link: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=576#comment-90923 Crikey, do you check your references? The article linked to in your “tips and rumours” section referring to a “geothermal ice melt link” makes absolutely no reference whatsoever to the melting arctic icecap, and the seabottom geothermal vents the article refers to are south of the Equator. Additionally, the notion that geothermal heat is responsible for the icecap melting is easily refutable by a simple calculation. For example, refer to comment #21 on this link: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=576#comment-90923

]]> By: Margaret Walker http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14982 Margaret Walker Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14982 I agree with Tim Macknay. Just wanted to add that this is how people like Andrew Bolt get away with their opposition to human induced climate change. Before we know where we are he will be quoting Crikey as saying the polar icemelt is due to geothermal vents! Please be more careful. I agree with Tim Macknay. Just wanted to add that this is how people like Andrew Bolt get away with their opposition to human induced climate change. Before we know where we are he will be quoting Crikey as saying the polar icemelt is due to geothermal vents! Please be more careful.

]]> By: Chris Sanderson http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14983 Chris Sanderson Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14983 RE: "Geothermal ice melt link: New Scientist is reporting a story that scientists have found multiple hot magma vents shooting out 450 degree water spouts in the Atlantic Ocean. Apparently the Northern Ice caps are melting because they have the equivalent of volcanoes warming up the sea under and around them."<br /><br />I could find no mention of Arctic melting being linked to the New Scientist article. RE: “Geothermal ice melt link: New Scientist is reporting a story that scientists have found multiple hot magma vents shooting out 450 degree water spouts in the Atlantic Ocean. Apparently the Northern Ice caps are melting because they have the equivalent of volcanoes warming up the sea under and around them.”

I could find no mention of Arctic melting being linked to the New Scientist article.

]]> By: John James http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14984 John James Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14984 Yes, the climate models had already factored in those underwater volcanoes! Simple calculation should have told you that. We have perfectly mapped those underwater currents. And we have pinpointed all present and future underwater volcanoes. What is it with you climate skeptics? Sure we predicted rain last week, but, hey, no-one is perfect! And carbon is a pollutant. Dont believe a word about that 'photosynthesis' nonsense. Yes, the climate models had already factored in those underwater volcanoes! Simple calculation should have told you that. We have perfectly mapped those underwater currents. And we have pinpointed all present and future underwater volcanoes. What is it with you climate skeptics? Sure we predicted rain last week, but, hey, no-one is perfect! And carbon is a pollutant. Dont believe a word about that ‘photosynthesis’ nonsense.

]]> By: Connor Moran http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14985 Connor Moran Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14985 Thanks Tim Macknay, I was going to make exactly the same point. Crikey, please read the referred articles. Thanks Tim Macknay, I was going to make exactly the same point. Crikey, please read the referred articles.

]]> By: Ben Gilna http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14986 Ben Gilna Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14986 New rumour for Crikey to publish: someone is spruiking the media with dodgy climate science! New rumour for Crikey to publish: someone is spruiking the media with dodgy climate science!

]]> By: David Allen http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14987 David Allen Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14987 I trade with Amazon, often several times a month, using a Westpac Mastercard - never had a problem??? I trade with Amazon, often several times a month, using a Westpac Mastercard - never had a problem???

]]> By: Stephen Morris http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14988 Stephen Morris Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14988 Before you feed the irrational frenzy of the Andrew Boltes of this world, you need to dramatically correct the facts in the "Geothermal ice melt link". Three minor mistakes, 1. the article never mentions anything about ice melts 2. the location of the hot water spouts is given in the article as at 5 degrees South of the Equator and from that location the ocean current then moves west an flows south down the South American continent and 3. To melt ice requires a major amount of energy the volume of water flowing through the spouts are tiny compared to the mass even of one or two large icebergs, let alone the Arctic <br />Stephen Morris Before you feed the irrational frenzy of the Andrew Boltes of this world, you need to dramatically correct the facts in the “Geothermal ice melt link”. Three minor mistakes, 1. the article never mentions anything about ice melts 2. the location of the hot water spouts is given in the article as at 5 degrees South of the Equator and from that location the ocean current then moves west an flows south down the South American continent and 3. To melt ice requires a major amount of energy the volume of water flowing through the spouts are tiny compared to the mass even of one or two large icebergs, let alone the Arctic
Stephen Morris

]]> By: Dru Bracken http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14989 Dru Bracken Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14989 Tsk, tsk...<br />Andrew Bolt jumps for joy. Free denialism fodder with a Crikey reference. Love the way you got melting ice-caps into this story about superheated fluids in the equatorial deep ocean.... the media at it's finest! The one good thing about this Crikey cock-up is the appearance of several comments showing that Crikey readers are at least sceptics where it counts.<br />Score: Crikey editor: minus 20<br />Crikey readers: 1 Tsk, tsk…
Andrew Bolt jumps for joy. Free denialism fodder with a Crikey reference. Love the way you got melting ice-caps into this story about superheated fluids in the equatorial deep ocean…. the media at it’s finest! The one good thing about this Crikey cock-up is the appearance of several comments showing that Crikey readers are at least sceptics where it counts.
Score: Crikey editor: minus 20
Crikey readers: 1

]]> By: John Molloy http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/08/05/tips-and-rumours/#comment-14990 John Molloy Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14990 Re: Amazon and CBA. Westpac does it too. You can ring them to confirm, then it will go through. This is too much trouble, so we use AMEX. Re: Amazon and CBA. Westpac does it too. You can ring them to confirm, then it will go through. This is too much trouble, so we use AMEX.

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