Comments on: Where was Graeme Samuel as Firepower spread its lies? http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/22/where-was-graeme-samuel-as-firepower-spread-its-lies/ now with extra source Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:48:11 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Dave Liberts http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/22/where-was-graeme-samuel-as-firepower-spread-its-lies/#comment-9238 Dave Liberts Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-9238 Matt, that's a bit harsh. Steven's famous defamation run-ins didn't cost investors other than Steven's own family, as I understand it. Defamation and misleading investors are not in the same ball park. Matt, that’s a bit harsh. Steven’s famous defamation run-ins didn’t cost investors other than Steven’s own family, as I understand it. Defamation and misleading investors are not in the same ball park.

]]> By: Matt http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/22/where-was-graeme-samuel-as-firepower-spread-its-lies/#comment-9239 Matt Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-9239 Stephen, your recurring theme that people should not be forgiven or dealt with again is tiresome and, lets face it, completely hypocritical. How many times was Crikey pinged for defamation when you ran it? How many close calls? Yet not only did you continue, you off-loaded it for $1 million! If you applied your standard then Crikey should have been shut down the moment you defamed Steve Price and you should have been shunned by Melbourne society. Standards are a lot harder when we place them on ourselves rather than others aren’t they Stephen…! Stephen, your recurring theme that people should not be forgiven or dealt with again is tiresome and, lets face it, completely hypocritical. How many times was Crikey pinged for defamation when you ran it? How many close calls? Yet not only did you continue, you off-loaded it for $1 million! If you applied your standard then Crikey should have been shut down the moment you defamed Steve Price and you should have been shunned by Melbourne society. Standards are a lot harder when we place them on ourselves rather than others aren’t they Stephen…!

]]> By: Matt http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/22/where-was-graeme-samuel-as-firepower-spread-its-lies/#comment-9240 Matt Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-9240 True Dave but why must be always go down the "nanny state" route? Why can't people take responsibility for their investments? If Alan Bond spruks a new company people are free to invest or to ignore it. I think Stephen's main issue is with the bankruptcy laws (although that doesn't explain his obsession with Burke). <br /><br />What I can't work out is Stephen's bizarre story about Rodney Adler. It makes Adler look like the good guy and Twiggy look like a spiv. That is journalism worthy of the Daily Telegraph! Twiggy may have his faults and does have his past, but only a blind monkey would suggest Fortescue is not the real deal. This is a good example of why Mayne’s hobby horse should be discounted. If Twiggy was shunned, tarred and feathered as Mayne suggests then Fortescue, and the benefits it is bringing to WA and Australia, would not exist. This is the mark of a “sophisticated” country – people who assess risk (including the person running the show) and invest accordingly. Its unfortunate Mayne cannot grasp this (especially as he passes himself as a financial journalist). True Dave but why must be always go down the “nanny state” route? Why can’t people take responsibility for their investments? If Alan Bond spruks a new company people are free to invest or to ignore it. I think Stephen’s main issue is with the bankruptcy laws (although that doesn’t explain his obsession with Burke).

What I can’t work out is Stephen’s bizarre story about Rodney Adler. It makes Adler look like the good guy and Twiggy look like a spiv. That is journalism worthy of the Daily Telegraph! Twiggy may have his faults and does have his past, but only a blind monkey would suggest Fortescue is not the real deal. This is a good example of why Mayne’s hobby horse should be discounted. If Twiggy was shunned, tarred and feathered as Mayne suggests then Fortescue, and the benefits it is bringing to WA and Australia, would not exist. This is the mark of a “sophisticated” country – people who assess risk (including the person running the show) and invest accordingly. Its unfortunate Mayne cannot grasp this (especially as he passes himself as a financial journalist).

]]> By: Jan Forrester http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/22/where-was-graeme-samuel-as-firepower-spread-its-lies/#comment-9241 Jan Forrester Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-9241 In many countries, including post-communist ones to our north, there is the concept of economic crimes - those illegal acts that can negatively affect a considerable number of ordinary people. Some years ago I remember a Perth journalist outlining the economic and social costs to ordinary people (not just direct investors) in the wake of the financial collapses of so-called financial whizzes of WA. Why would we want to forget these people? We don't seem to want to forget rapists and pedophiles - the perpetrators of individual crimes/serial crimes, but we have a different mindset about economic criminals and the intertwined circles of business, social and political influence they move in. In many countries, including post-communist ones to our north, there is the concept of economic crimes - those illegal acts that can negatively affect a considerable number of ordinary people. Some years ago I remember a Perth journalist outlining the economic and social costs to ordinary people (not just direct investors) in the wake of the financial collapses of so-called financial whizzes of WA. Why would we want to forget these people? We don’t seem to want to forget rapists and pedophiles - the perpetrators of individual crimes/serial crimes, but we have a different mindset about economic criminals and the intertwined circles of business, social and political influence they move in.

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