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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups/#comment-3508</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Whilst I am more than happy to agree that Keating was a truly great leader and a wonderful parliamentary performer (I am a fan; I recognise that there are respectable counter views), I would not be so prejudiced to say, as Michael de Angelos has, that &quot;Howard entered his term on a high with Australia in a good position economically&quot;! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is utter nonsense&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nor would I be blind to the fact that, overwhelmingly, the Canberra press gallery has until very recently been almost uniformly sycophantically supportive of Kevin Rudd. To suggest otherwise is truly  the province of the &quot;barking mad&quot; or at least the seriously deluded!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I am more than happy to agree that Keating was a truly great leader and a wonderful parliamentary performer (I am a fan; I recognise that there are respectable counter views), I would not be so prejudiced to say, as Michael de Angelos has, that &#8220;Howard entered his term on a high with Australia in a good position economically&#8221;! </p>
<p>That is utter nonsense</p>
<p>Nor would I be blind to the fact that, overwhelmingly, the Canberra press gallery has until very recently been almost uniformly sycophantically supportive of Kevin Rudd. To suggest otherwise is truly  the province of the &#8220;barking mad&#8221; or at least the seriously deluded!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups/#comment-3509</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know whether Martyn Smith is &quot;barking mad&quot; but with sentences like: &quot;Whilst it is par for the course to be criticised in politics I can&#039;t remember any politician copping it quite like Kevin Rudd &quot;, I do not worry that there will be many taking him any to seriously except .....Marilyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know whether Martyn Smith is &#8220;barking mad&#8221; but with sentences like: &#8220;Whilst it is par for the course to be criticised in politics I can&#8217;t remember any politician copping it quite like Kevin Rudd &#8220;, I do not worry that there will be many taking him any to seriously except &#8230;..Marilyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups/#comment-3510</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martyn I couldn&#039;t have said it better.   I have never heard so much bleating and carping by the media over a PM, one who seems to have a mind of his own instead of toadying to their every word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keane even decided I was barking mad for pointing out the rent seekers in the media - look at the coverage though.   One or two sensible pieces about climate change by people on the ground like John Garnaut in China, the rest of it puerile nitpicking by the press galllery trying to turn the national interest into petty partisan politics as if they alone have another planet to live on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s driving me nuts, but I am not barking mad as Keane claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martyn I couldn&#8217;t have said it better.   I have never heard so much bleating and carping by the media over a PM, one who seems to have a mind of his own instead of toadying to their every word.</p>
<p>Keane even decided I was barking mad for pointing out the rent seekers in the media - look at the coverage though.   One or two sensible pieces about climate change by people on the ground like John Garnaut in China, the rest of it puerile nitpicking by the press galllery trying to turn the national interest into petty partisan politics as if they alone have another planet to live on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s driving me nuts, but I am not barking mad as Keane claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael de Angelos</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael de Angelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly JamesK-as Kevin Rudd won a convincing win 7 months ago with the former PM being turfed out of his own seat, you exagerate by claiming &quot;I do not worry that there will be many taking him any to seriously except .....Marilyn. &quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And not much has dented his popularity in that time despite a persistent media campaign against Rudd that has included potshots from every angle as he struggles with the very serious problem of climate control-an election promise that it apears from surveys a majority of Aussies genuinely are concernmed about-and how to deliver on that promise and keep the multitude on competing interests happy. It will be the real test of his leadership and define his term as PM, not withstanding a media that seems to want the solution handed to them on a plate immediately and offer no positive or constructive alternatives, just criticism. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nor did John Howard have to confront any of the very real problems this country is facing-he sailed in on an intense and  hysterical hate for Paul Keating ( itself a result of a repeated media campaign of painting the man as &quot;arrogant&quot; until the term was parroted by every person in the street).This was borne out by the following election in which Howard lost the popular vote and the swag of seats he had picked up-to Kim Beazley.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Howard entered his term on a high with Australia in a good position economically-or has everyone all forgotten the great promise to create a &quot;relaxed and comfortable&#039;&quot;Australia, which in retrospect sounds as loopy as it was then to many of us and considering what has happened since. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aside from Howard&#039;s manipulating of awful events, 9/11 to take us into war, Siev X and the children overboard scandals etc-Howard had a dream run for the first years despite some of his ministers involved in frightful scandals that involved shocking cases of ignoring Howard&#039;s own boastful Ministerial Standards hooey with Howard&#039;s full backing until it became completely untenable for him to support them. They make Belinda Neal&#039;s matter look like-well, as simple as a table seating argument. Contrast Howard&#039;s ministerial disgraces over the ballyhoo we&#039;ve been bored with over that matter for weeks on end.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a genuine feeling that Kevin Rudd having won a decisive victory and being a Labor PM must &quot;prove&quot; himself far more than a Coaltion PM has had to in the past. Fortunately in that respect-it just seems to help his popularity with the public who are increasingly ignoring the dimwitted closeted Canberra press gallery. And with an Opposition such as we have, we are fortunate to have a PM who is happy to declare his moral standards, even when at times it seems over the top ( as in the Henson matter).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly JamesK-as Kevin Rudd won a convincing win 7 months ago with the former PM being turfed out of his own seat, you exagerate by claiming &#8220;I do not worry that there will be many taking him any to seriously except &#8230;..Marilyn. &#8220;.</p>
<p>And not much has dented his popularity in that time despite a persistent media campaign against Rudd that has included potshots from every angle as he struggles with the very serious problem of climate control-an election promise that it apears from surveys a majority of Aussies genuinely are concernmed about-and how to deliver on that promise and keep the multitude on competing interests happy. It will be the real test of his leadership and define his term as PM, not withstanding a media that seems to want the solution handed to them on a plate immediately and offer no positive or constructive alternatives, just criticism. </p>
<p>Nor did John Howard have to confront any of the very real problems this country is facing-he sailed in on an intense and  hysterical hate for Paul Keating ( itself a result of a repeated media campaign of painting the man as &#8220;arrogant&#8221; until the term was parroted by every person in the street).This was borne out by the following election in which Howard lost the popular vote and the swag of seats he had picked up-to Kim Beazley.</p>
<p>Howard entered his term on a high with Australia in a good position economically-or has everyone all forgotten the great promise to create a &#8220;relaxed and comfortable&#8216;&#8220;Australia, which in retrospect sounds as loopy as it was then to many of us and considering what has happened since. </p>
<p>Aside from Howard&#8217;s manipulating of awful events, 9/11 to take us into war, Siev X and the children overboard scandals etc-Howard had a dream run for the first years despite some of his ministers involved in frightful scandals that involved shocking cases of ignoring Howard&#8217;s own boastful Ministerial Standards hooey with Howard&#8217;s full backing until it became completely untenable for him to support them. They make Belinda Neal&#8217;s matter look like-well, as simple as a table seating argument. Contrast Howard&#8217;s ministerial disgraces over the ballyhoo we&#8217;ve been bored with over that matter for weeks on end.</p>
<p>There is a genuine feeling that Kevin Rudd having won a decisive victory and being a Labor PM must &#8220;prove&#8221; himself far more than a Coaltion PM has had to in the past. Fortunately in that respect-it just seems to help his popularity with the public who are increasingly ignoring the dimwitted closeted Canberra press gallery. And with an Opposition such as we have, we are fortunate to have a PM who is happy to declare his moral standards, even when at times it seems over the top ( as in the Henson matter).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Liberts</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/21/comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups/#comment-3512</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Liberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be a case of the glass being half empty or half full, but I think there is solid evidence that Keating left Australia in a good position economically. Yes, on the down-side there was some Government debt and things had been rough in the early 90&#039;s, but on the up-side the rough times marked the beginning of the long boom by bedding down the results of the floated dollar and the Accord, and shaking out some of the dodgier elements of the economy. The post-Keating economy was so much more resilient than the economy he inherited from Howard&#039;s years as Treasurer that it was able to adjust and continue to grow despite the Asian meltdown in the late 90&#039;s (with no assistance from the Libs), and then rebound and continue to grow after that too. Howard&#039;s debt reduction was not of itself reform, the GST was relatively minor as far as reform goes and Workchoices was more about ideology than economics. Economically, I agree that Howard and Costello did what they needed to do - which was not stuff up. Hardly takes talent to leave something alone (although various State governments in the 80&#039;s didn&#039;t have anywhere near enough talent to even manage this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a case of the glass being half empty or half full, but I think there is solid evidence that Keating left Australia in a good position economically. Yes, on the down-side there was some Government debt and things had been rough in the early 90&#8217;s, but on the up-side the rough times marked the beginning of the long boom by bedding down the results of the floated dollar and the Accord, and shaking out some of the dodgier elements of the economy. The post-Keating economy was so much more resilient than the economy he inherited from Howard&#8217;s years as Treasurer that it was able to adjust and continue to grow despite the Asian meltdown in the late 90&#8217;s (with no assistance from the Libs), and then rebound and continue to grow after that too. Howard&#8217;s debt reduction was not of itself reform, the GST was relatively minor as far as reform goes and Workchoices was more about ideology than economics. Economically, I agree that Howard and Costello did what they needed to do - which was not stuff up. Hardly takes talent to leave something alone (although various State governments in the 80&#8217;s didn&#8217;t have anywhere near enough talent to even manage this).</p>
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