Comments on: Cardinal Pell’s (white) baby push is environmental madness http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/ now with extra source Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:11:39 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Venise Alstergren#2 http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17339 Venise Alstergren#2 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17339 The higher up the evangelical ladder the leaders of the Catholic church get; the more they would (in private) agree it's a rotten, foetid and putrid religion. Can't anyone see these same men after dinner, relaxed and smoking the best Havana Havana cigars and drinking the finest Cognac in the world. Cognac de Charente, Grande champagne (folle blanche) 1933, whilst female servants (nuns) silently wait on their masters. I'm not talking about the George Pells of this word. He is strictly small time, I'm talking the men of the Papal court. Having reached this lofty point; why should they let a few ethics get in the way. Certainly it's an evil religion, but ah how the goodies roll in. Why shouldn't they preach unmitigated clap trap? The oafs are so stupid they keep buying it. <br />"Father Paul, who is the little boy in the choir I saw you talking to this morning? He was unusually----"<br />"Fair my lord Cardinal?"<br />"Just so. I would like to hear him sing in private."<br />"I've already told him to await your pleasure."<br />"Excellent, excellent, pass the decanter will you?" The higher up the evangelical ladder the leaders of the Catholic church get; the more they would (in private) agree it’s a rotten, foetid and putrid religion. Can’t anyone see these same men after dinner, relaxed and smoking the best Havana Havana cigars and drinking the finest Cognac in the world. Cognac de Charente, Grande champagne (folle blanche) 1933, whilst female servants (nuns) silently wait on their masters. I’m not talking about the George Pells of this word. He is strictly small time, I’m talking the men of the Papal court. Having reached this lofty point; why should they let a few ethics get in the way. Certainly it’s an evil religion, but ah how the goodies roll in. Why shouldn’t they preach unmitigated clap trap? The oafs are so stupid they keep buying it.
“Father Paul, who is the little boy in the choir I saw you talking to this morning? He was unusually —  — ”
“Fair my lord Cardinal?”
“Just so. I would like to hear him sing in private.”
“I’ve already told him to await your pleasure.”
“Excellent, excellent, pass the decanter will you?”

]]> By: suzanne http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17340 suzanne Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17340 the weirdest bit about Pell's comments is they are made by an old geezer who has supposedly married God* and committed himself to celibacy (and by extention, never having kids). Whether Pell has or hasn't lived according to his vows we will probably never know (I don't want to!) but we know the irreparable damage that such vows have had on poor little boys from normal families (as distinct from Holy Families). The idea that Pell and his cronies some how have the inside running on what's best for marraige and the institution of the family is ludicrous!<br /><br />**or is is only women called Sister Damien who marry Jesus? Do priests marry the Holy Ghost? the weirdest bit about Pell’s comments is they are made by an old geezer who has supposedly married God* and committed himself to celibacy (and by extention, never having kids). Whether Pell has or hasn’t lived according to his vows we will probably never know (I don’t want to!) but we know the irreparable damage that such vows have had on poor little boys from normal families (as distinct from Holy Families). The idea that Pell and his cronies some how have the inside running on what’s best for marraige and the institution of the family is ludicrous!

**or is is only women called Sister Damien who marry Jesus? Do priests marry the Holy Ghost?

]]> By: robert http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17341 robert Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17341 More souls,more votes-more votes, more power-more power, more money-too easy eh?<br />Robert More souls,more votes-more votes, more power-more power, more money-too easy eh?
Robert

]]> By: Venise Alstergren http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17342 Venise Alstergren Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17342 Cardinal Pell should stick to worrying about b*ggery. As long as the Catholic Church thinks it is being out bred in the fertility stakes by other religions it will never agree to contraception. As long as the women of the world are prepared to sit passively while men dictate their lives-why can't they strike back. Men would-As long as ignorance, apathy and despair are the dominant factors in life. So will the women be docile and pliant. Men would never allow priests to interfere in their lives if they were the ones who had babies. It seems the time will never come when women cease loving the chains that bind them. Make no mistake, it is the women who are allowing population explosion. Even if it means sacrificing their own lives they should do it. And people are saying that fa*ting cows that are producing the most greenhouse gas. I'm sooo sorry, but it's the women of this world who are the greatest polluters of all.<br /> Cardinal Pell should stick to worrying about b*ggery. As long as the Catholic Church thinks it is being out bred in the fertility stakes by other religions it will never agree to contraception. As long as the women of the world are prepared to sit passively while men dictate their lives-why can’t they strike back. Men would-As long as ignorance, apathy and despair are the dominant factors in life. So will the women be docile and pliant. Men would never allow priests to interfere in their lives if they were the ones who had babies. It seems the time will never come when women cease loving the chains that bind them. Make no mistake, it is the women who are allowing population explosion. Even if it means sacrificing their own lives they should do it. And people are saying that fa*ting cows that are producing the most greenhouse gas. I’m sooo sorry, but it’s the women of this world who are the greatest polluters of all.

]]> By: Dave Liberts http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17343 Dave Liberts Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17343 Clearly, Pell has raised a serious issue. If Western countries don't produce enough people, we won't have enough white candidates to guarantee a white pope. And where would the Catholic church be then? It might have to select a pope who was Asian, or God forbid, African. Outrageous! Clearly, Pell has raised a serious issue. If Western countries don’t produce enough people, we won’t have enough white candidates to guarantee a white pope. And where would the Catholic church be then? It might have to select a pope who was Asian, or God forbid, African. Outrageous!

]]> By: PeterB http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17344 PeterB Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17344 Cardinal Pell makes me glad I'm an atheist Cardinal Pell makes me glad I’m an atheist

]]> By: duffer http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17345 duffer Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17345 "Surely he’s not suggesting the Joneses have to keep up with the Lius and the Hassans in some sort of global population contest?" Why not? It's clearly not unthinkable:<br />http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0895260786/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_5?%5Fencoding=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar “Surely he’s not suggesting the Joneses have to keep up with the Lius and the Hassans in some sort of global population contest?” Why not? It’s clearly not unthinkable:
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0895260786/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_5?%5Fencoding=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar

]]> By: Julius http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17346 Julius Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17346 I count myself an atheist friend or friendly acquaintance of the Cardinal and understand him to be concerned about preserving Western civilisation which I think he probably sees as not only mainly a creation of Christianity but as including the Englightenment's many good features within the Christian achievement. And, even if one only values Western civilisation as the fount of humane modernity he is right to worry about the bearers of that civilisation are not reproducing, particularly educated women who breed later and less. Charles Berger seems to have the real religious temperament - and the ACF feeds at the public teat even more than tax exempt churches - and might usefully answer sceptics by looking at http://brneurosci.org/co2.html and going to the passages with "logarithmic" in them. Then he can tell the world why it is't true to say that infra red (heat) absorption by CO2 in the atmosphere isn't linear, let alone exponential, but logarithmic so that at some point, maybe close, additional CO2 in the atmosphere won't add to the heat. I count myself an atheist friend or friendly acquaintance of the Cardinal and understand him to be concerned about preserving Western civilisation which I think he probably sees as not only mainly a creation of Christianity but as including the Englightenment’s many good features within the Christian achievement. And, even if one only values Western civilisation as the fount of humane modernity he is right to worry about the bearers of that civilisation are not reproducing, particularly educated women who breed later and less. Charles Berger seems to have the real religious temperament - and the ACF feeds at the public teat even more than tax exempt churches - and might usefully answer sceptics by looking at http://brneurosci.org/co2.html and going to the passages with “logarithmic” in them. Then he can tell the world why it is’t true to say that infra red (heat) absorption by CO2 in the atmosphere isn’t linear, let alone exponential, but logarithmic so that at some point, maybe close, additional CO2 in the atmosphere won’t add to the heat.

]]> By: Vicki LG http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17347 Vicki LG Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17347 Huh!!!!!<br /><br />What about all the support from the Aboriginal Catholic congregation - doesnt account for much apparently! Hope they begin to realise a few home truths.... Huh!!!!!

What about all the support from the Aboriginal Catholic congregation - doesnt account for much apparently! Hope they begin to realise a few home truths….

]]> By: Shane http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17348 Shane Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17348 Although I am not a papal fan I find it hard to understand these orchestrated attacks on the Catholic Church and its teachings. Catholic Church is not the only church to encourage more babies. Our own IVF program encourages infertile women to produce kids artificially. Most religions advocate growth of their creed. And no one criticises Dalaj Lama for expressing very similar to the Pope's views re: condoms, abortions, chastity, etc. If we are really a tolerant country this tolerance should apply to all legal denominations in this country. And as for the celibacy? It should, and really is, the best deterrent to reproduce whilst Protestant pastors, Mormons, Moslems, Greek Orthodox, Buddhistsa and Chinese -whatever-the -denomination enjoy proliferation. Catholicism, is a Christian religion: both entry and exit are free. Not everybody has to follow Ten Commandments. The recent attacks on the representatives of the Roman-Catholic Church reminds me of the old English-Irish conflict. Is is still on? Afterall, free from celibacy Anglican clergy did contribute to child abuse, did it not? Do we have right to critise our Head of Church, the Queen of Australia, for the Anglican clergy child abuse.? Although I am not a papal fan I find it hard to understand these orchestrated attacks on the Catholic Church and its teachings. Catholic Church is not the only church to encourage more babies. Our own IVF program encourages infertile women to produce kids artificially. Most religions advocate growth of their creed. And no one criticises Dalaj Lama for expressing very similar to the Pope’s views re: condoms, abortions, chastity, etc. If we are really a tolerant country this tolerance should apply to all legal denominations in this country. And as for the celibacy? It should, and really is, the best deterrent to reproduce whilst Protestant pastors, Mormons, Moslems, Greek Orthodox, Buddhistsa and Chinese -whatever-the -denomination enjoy proliferation. Catholicism, is a Christian religion: both entry and exit are free. Not everybody has to follow Ten Commandments. The recent attacks on the representatives of the Roman-Catholic Church reminds me of the old English-Irish conflict. Is is still on? Afterall, free from celibacy Anglican clergy did contribute to child abuse, did it not? Do we have right to critise our Head of Church, the Queen of Australia, for the Anglican clergy child abuse.?

]]> By: Ann Meyer http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/15/cardinal-pells-white-baby-push-is-environmental-madness/#comment-17349 Ann Meyer Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17349 What Pell said is not only ludicrous but totally irresponsible but worse than that are the sheep that will listen to him and obey. Perhaps the catholic church will committ sufficient funds to counteract the enviromental damage increased population will have on food supplies and nature itself or better yet the Vatican can fund organic farms in the poorer countries where condoms are not permitted to feed all the little ones. What Pell said is not only ludicrous but totally irresponsible but worse than that are the sheep that will listen to him and obey. Perhaps the catholic church will committ sufficient funds to counteract the enviromental damage increased population will have on food supplies and nature itself or better yet the Vatican can fund organic farms in the poorer countries where condoms are not permitted to feed all the little ones.

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