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	<title>Comments on: ALP&#8217;s Participation Taskforce has all the wrong participants</title>
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		<title>By: Karen Churchill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/07/alps-participation-taskforce-has-all-the-wrong-participants/#comment-4378</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Churchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Ms Cox.  Yep - this Group is trying to do the impossible - fix a big mess in way too little time without even have the chance to get to grips with the premise that caused the mess in the first place.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Neither employers nor government will get it right until they start to really think about the way work is structured.  As long as it&#039;s 9-5 (or 24/7 if you work in the Federal Government) five days a week, at your &lt;br /&gt;desk, potential workers across more than one demographic will vote with their feet.  Single parents will stay at home with their children, baby boomers will simply retire, and the skills shortage will continue and worsen.  &lt;br /&gt;Here&#039;s an idea!  How about single parents job sharing with 50+ year olds?  That way the parents get at least some time with their children, child care costs reduce, boomers get a more flexible work pattern, knowledge and experience get passed on, and employers get the workers they need.  Staff retention would probably go up too.&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s got to be better than trying to squeeze everyone into one way of working.  Of course employers and government would have to use their imagination and put some time into getting a system like this right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Ms Cox.  Yep - this Group is trying to do the impossible - fix a big mess in way too little time without even have the chance to get to grips with the premise that caused the mess in the first place.  </p>
<p>Neither employers nor government will get it right until they start to really think about the way work is structured.  As long as it&#8217;s 9-5 (or 24/7 if you work in the Federal Government) five days a week, at your <br />desk, potential workers across more than one demographic will vote with their feet.  Single parents will stay at home with their children, baby boomers will simply retire, and the skills shortage will continue and worsen.  <br />Here&#8217;s an idea!  How about single parents job sharing with 50+ year olds?  That way the parents get at least some time with their children, child care costs reduce, boomers get a more flexible work pattern, knowledge and experience get passed on, and employers get the workers they need.  Staff retention would probably go up too.<br />It&#8217;s got to be better than trying to squeeze everyone into one way of working.  Of course employers and government would have to use their imagination and put some time into getting a system like this right.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus L'Estrange</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/07/alps-participation-taskforce-has-all-the-wrong-participants/#comment-4379</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus L'Estrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   Eva Cox has missed the point. With a real unemployment figure of 2 million and 1.75 miilion on one of the six different dole payments and only 180,000 vacancies (all ABS figures) it doesn&#039;t matter what Employment Participation Minister O&#039;Connor does in this area. It will have no effect on anything except to ensure that the real unemployment rate will not change. Over the 25 years I worked in the old CES before I had to leave for being a whistleblower I saw more Labour Market Schemes come and go than I have had hot dinners. They all collapsed in a heap because of the above numbers of unemployed vs vacancies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   What then is to be done? Read my paper: &#039;What then is to be done&#039;. I make about 24 proposals but in&lt;br /&gt;essence Job Network goes to be replaced by a small component added to Centrelink to help those who&lt;br /&gt;cannot help themselves, the Tax Office supervises dole payments via a guaranteed minimum income and a four day working week (36 hours) for most workers, at no lost of income, to be financed by the current and masive cost of unemployment, is introduced until 2016 -2018 when the ageing problem may really hit and hours worked may then have to increase.  If my proposals are implemented now then all will have some work to do rather than some doing all the work and we don&#039;t end up simply with a cleaver dole queue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Eva rightly mentions the carpetbagers who have latched on to the unemployment industry. Yes, she&#039;s right. Avoid them like the plague. Their only intention is to gain themselves a highly paid job paid for of course out of money meant for the unemployed.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Marcus L&#039;Estrange&lt;br /&gt;8/7/08&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva Cox has missed the point. With a real unemployment figure of 2 million and 1.75 miilion on one of the six different dole payments and only 180,000 vacancies (all ABS figures) it doesn&#8217;t matter what Employment Participation Minister O&#8217;Connor does in this area. It will have no effect on anything except to ensure that the real unemployment rate will not change. Over the 25 years I worked in the old CES before I had to leave for being a whistleblower I saw more Labour Market Schemes come and go than I have had hot dinners. They all collapsed in a heap because of the above numbers of unemployed vs vacancies.</p>
<p>   What then is to be done? Read my paper: &#8216;What then is to be done&#8217;. I make about 24 proposals but in<br />essence Job Network goes to be replaced by a small component added to Centrelink to help those who<br />cannot help themselves, the Tax Office supervises dole payments via a guaranteed minimum income and a four day working week (36 hours) for most workers, at no lost of income, to be financed by the current and masive cost of unemployment, is introduced until 2016 -2018 when the ageing problem may really hit and hours worked may then have to increase.  If my proposals are implemented now then all will have some work to do rather than some doing all the work and we don&#8217;t end up simply with a cleaver dole queue.</p>
<p>   Eva rightly mentions the carpetbagers who have latched on to the unemployment industry. Yes, she&#8217;s right. Avoid them like the plague. Their only intention is to gain themselves a highly paid job paid for of course out of money meant for the unemployed.</p>
<p>Marcus L&#8217;Estrange<br />8/7/08</p>
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		<title>By: Disillusioned </title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/07/alps-participation-taskforce-has-all-the-wrong-participants/#comment-4380</link>
		<dc:creator>Disillusioned </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m over 55 and want a career change .No one will take me on as I&#039;m too old .I&#039;ve paid for a retraining career change to find that I need another qualification despite having a  B Ed ..more money . I have had no support from anyone as I own too many assets which I am selling to exist . I&#039;ve worked all my life and paid tax !  No govt support is available for me ..tele marketing is my only resort ! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m over 55 and want a career change .No one will take me on as I&#8217;m too old .I&#8217;ve paid for a retraining career change to find that I need another qualification despite having a  B Ed ..more money . I have had no support from anyone as I own too many assets which I am selling to exist . I&#8217;ve worked all my life and paid tax !  No govt support is available for me ..tele marketing is my only resort !</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bateman</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/07/07/alps-participation-taskforce-has-all-the-wrong-participants/#comment-4381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 50 year old sole parent with 4 school age children.  Previously I worked in the Australian Public Service; ironically the erstwhile Commonwealth Employment Service.  When my oldest turned 16, I was required by Centrelink to start searching for work, which I have to say was quite daunting after 12 years out of the paid workforce.  I eventually applied for an advertised position with Centrelink and went through an extensive recruitment process with their (private) recruitment firm.  I came through with flying colours and was immediately referred to the final interview with someone from Centrelink.  I had a ten minute interview where most of the questions centred around how I would cope with the children, what problems I might have with Sole Parent clients, etc, etc.  I was rung an hour later by the Recruitment firm to say I hadn&#039;t got the job.  In reply to my question, they told me that Centrelink didn&#039;t give feedback.  They then asked if I could start a casual job they had immediately with, you guessed it - Centrelink.  I couldn&#039;t take it as it required evening and weekend work.  All in all, a great confidence booster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 50 year old sole parent with 4 school age children.  Previously I worked in the Australian Public Service; ironically the erstwhile Commonwealth Employment Service.  When my oldest turned 16, I was required by Centrelink to start searching for work, which I have to say was quite daunting after 12 years out of the paid workforce.  I eventually applied for an advertised position with Centrelink and went through an extensive recruitment process with their (private) recruitment firm.  I came through with flying colours and was immediately referred to the final interview with someone from Centrelink.  I had a ten minute interview where most of the questions centred around how I would cope with the children, what problems I might have with Sole Parent clients, etc, etc.  I was rung an hour later by the Recruitment firm to say I hadn&#8217;t got the job.  In reply to my question, they told me that Centrelink didn&#8217;t give feedback.  They then asked if I could start a casual job they had immediately with, you guessed it - Centrelink.  I couldn&#8217;t take it as it required evening and weekend work.  All in all, a great confidence booster.</p>
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