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	<title>Comments on: Dieticians underplay the red meat risk</title>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7984</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the energy in: energy out ratio of growing beef cattle vs growing chickens is 30:1 vs about 3:1, also.  Not to mention the greenhouse gas effect of methane from all the farting the beef cattle do...  Methane has a 60 times greater &#039;global warming potential&#039; (GWP) than CO2 over the first 20 years of its presence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the energy in: energy out ratio of growing beef cattle vs growing chickens is 30:1 vs about 3:1, also.  Not to mention the greenhouse gas effect of methane from all the farting the beef cattle do&#8230;  Methane has a 60 times greater &#8216;global warming potential&#8217; (GWP) than CO2 over the first 20 years of its presence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7985</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a medical practitioner who has no links with the meat industry or the Dieticians Association of Australia(and in fact consumes less than one serve of red meat per week) I thought this article was pushing the limits of both science and logic.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although the WCRF report is interesting reading and certainly adds to the body of evidence suggesting that excess red meat consumption is linked with an increased incidence of colorectal cancer.  However, they themselves note the degree of variation in the studies they based the recommendation on, with only four studies showing a statistically significant increase in relative risk.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even accepting the probability of an increase in risk, they are much more cautious with defining the magnitude of the risk.  I would be fascinated to see how Professor Giles calculated the figure Mr Russell has given of &quot;6,000 fewer cases of bowel cancer annually&quot;.  In 1999 there were 11637 new cases of colorectal cancer in Australia (Australian Institutes of Health and Welfare data).  On my reading of the WCRF report (they estimate relative risk of 1.43 per times/week) I don&#039;t see how this equates to a halving of the total number of cases – more like a reduction of 1500-3000, depending on which figures you go on.  While this is substantial, it is not conclusive and it is certainly far, far less than the relative risk increase that smoking has with lung cancer (which Hammond and Dorn calculated in 1966 to be 10.73).  To equate the links between smoking and lung cancer with the links between red meat and colorectal cancer is to misunderstand the data.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps a more responsible way of reporting this would be to state that the report shows a small but (in their opinion) significant increase in the risk of colorectal cancer which appears to be dose dependent (although this is less certain) and apply to individuals who eat greater than 500g/week.  Although this doesn&#039;t really fit in with the &#039;meat industry conspiracy&#039; argument that Mr Russell appears to be using this report to try and advance, it’s more accurate.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The WCRF report is recent report that is itself cautious in its conclusions and recommendations.  You can&#039;t blame dieticians and doctors for not shouting from the rooftops.  It takes time to change our perceptions of how our behaviour influences our heath, even when the case is far more compelling that this one is.  To accuse the DAA of being deliberately misleading is itslef misleading and smacks of paranoia.  In fact, most dieticians would certainly agree with the conclusions of the report to limit intake of red meat (not a new idea at all), as well the intake of alcohol and saturated fats while increasing the intake of fruit, vegetables, cereals and most of all do more exercise.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now that&#039;s a message that the evidence can support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical practitioner who has no links with the meat industry or the Dieticians Association of Australia(and in fact consumes less than one serve of red meat per week) I thought this article was pushing the limits of both science and logic.  </p>
<p>Although the WCRF report is interesting reading and certainly adds to the body of evidence suggesting that excess red meat consumption is linked with an increased incidence of colorectal cancer.  However, they themselves note the degree of variation in the studies they based the recommendation on, with only four studies showing a statistically significant increase in relative risk.  </p>
<p>Even accepting the probability of an increase in risk, they are much more cautious with defining the magnitude of the risk.  I would be fascinated to see how Professor Giles calculated the figure Mr Russell has given of &#8220;6,000 fewer cases of bowel cancer annually&#8221;.  In 1999 there were 11637 new cases of colorectal cancer in Australia (Australian Institutes of Health and Welfare data).  On my reading of the WCRF report (they estimate relative risk of 1.43 per times/week) I don&#8217;t see how this equates to a halving of the total number of cases – more like a reduction of 1500-3000, depending on which figures you go on.  While this is substantial, it is not conclusive and it is certainly far, far less than the relative risk increase that smoking has with lung cancer (which Hammond and Dorn calculated in 1966 to be 10.73).  To equate the links between smoking and lung cancer with the links between red meat and colorectal cancer is to misunderstand the data.  </p>
<p>Perhaps a more responsible way of reporting this would be to state that the report shows a small but (in their opinion) significant increase in the risk of colorectal cancer which appears to be dose dependent (although this is less certain) and apply to individuals who eat greater than 500g/week.  Although this doesn&#8217;t really fit in with the &#8216;meat industry conspiracy&#8217; argument that Mr Russell appears to be using this report to try and advance, it’s more accurate.    </p>
<p>The WCRF report is recent report that is itself cautious in its conclusions and recommendations.  You can&#8217;t blame dieticians and doctors for not shouting from the rooftops.  It takes time to change our perceptions of how our behaviour influences our heath, even when the case is far more compelling that this one is.  To accuse the DAA of being deliberately misleading is itslef misleading and smacks of paranoia.  In fact, most dieticians would certainly agree with the conclusions of the report to limit intake of red meat (not a new idea at all), as well the intake of alcohol and saturated fats while increasing the intake of fruit, vegetables, cereals and most of all do more exercise.  </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s a message that the evidence can support!</p>
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		<title>By: steve martin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7986</link>
		<dc:creator>steve martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you think 6,000 cases per year for people eating more than 1 serve of red meat per week is a &quot;modest link&quot;,&lt;br /&gt;Actually I do think so;out of a population of 21 000 000 you would be hard pressed to find many non-vegetarians who eat only one serve of red meat per week.&lt;br /&gt;A gross misuse of statistics.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>If you think 6,000 cases per year for people eating more than 1 serve of red meat per week is a &#8220;modest link&#8221;,<br />Actually I do think so;out of a population of 21 000 000 you would be hard pressed to find many non-vegetarians who eat only one serve of red meat per week.<br />A gross misuse of statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7987</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the meat industry is bad for the animals and the environment as well. In fact any way you look at the meat industry it comes up looking bad. Some readers may have seen the TV program Animal Pharm which showed the genetic engineering now being utilised in agriculture research to precisely enable meat production to be increased so that more people can eat more meat. Not a nice world we live in I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the meat industry is bad for the animals and the environment as well. In fact any way you look at the meat industry it comes up looking bad. Some readers may have seen the TV program Animal Pharm which showed the genetic engineering now being utilised in agriculture research to precisely enable meat production to be increased so that more people can eat more meat. Not a nice world we live in I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7988</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you publish such obnoxious garbage?  We have evolved to eat red meat over millions of years.  Get used to the idea - it is here to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you publish such obnoxious garbage?  We have evolved to eat red meat over millions of years.  Get used to the idea - it is here to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: mick harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/19/dieticians-underplay-the-red-meat-risk/#comment-7989</link>
		<dc:creator>mick harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red meat and bunderberg rum &lt;br /&gt;both articles are absolutely drivel for heavens sake if you want to fill crikey reading by using such articles you can forget me as a subscriber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red meat and bunderberg rum <br />both articles are absolutely drivel for heavens sake if you want to fill crikey reading by using such articles you can forget me as a subscriber</p>
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