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	<title>Comments on: Powering Sydney with the sun? Not if the pols can help it</title>
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		<title>By: garyb</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/18/powering-sydney-with-the-sun-not-if-the-pols-can-help-it/#comment-16594</link>
		<dc:creator>garyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while solar thermal has potential, it does not operate at night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;another technology languishing due to government indifference is planned for Wentworth, on the north side of the Murray near Mildura.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;tallest structure in the world&lt;br /&gt;24/7 power generation&lt;br /&gt;200MW output&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;completely sustainable!&lt;br /&gt;physics textbooks first listed this project as world leading 6 years ago...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;it needed $70million to get it going&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;compare this with wind farms..and other solar thermals&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;they do not compare&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;so why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;maybe something to do with mission energy has the patent onthe technology&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the market rules...again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;btw the hydrogen economy conference held three years ago postulated thehydrogen economy would &#039;kick in&#039; once petrol hit $4 a litre&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;so lets raise the price and get on with it!&lt;br /&gt;then we need a low cost source of electricity to make(release) the hydrogen&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;pity the coal fired generators...all that coal and electricity that no-one will want&lt;br /&gt;seems that is the reason for little/no development of alternatives&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;only time will tell&lt;br /&gt;the planet will live on...maybe without the humans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while solar thermal has potential, it does not operate at night.</p>
<p>another technology languishing due to government indifference is planned for Wentworth, on the north side of the Murray near Mildura.</p>
<p>tallest structure in the world<br />24/7 power generation<br />200MW output</p>
<p>completely sustainable!<br />physics textbooks first listed this project as world leading 6 years ago&#8230;</p>
<p>it needed $70million to get it going</p>
<p>compare this with wind farms..and other solar thermals</p>
<p>they do not compare</p>
<p>so why?</p>
<p>maybe something to do with mission energy has the patent onthe technology</p>
<p>the market rules&#8230;again.</p>
<p>btw the hydrogen economy conference held three years ago postulated thehydrogen economy would &#8216;kick in&#8217; once petrol hit $4 a litre</p>
<p>so lets raise the price and get on with it!<br />then we need a low cost source of electricity to make(release) the hydrogen</p>
<p>pity the coal fired generators&#8230;all that coal and electricity that no-one will want<br />seems that is the reason for little/no development of alternatives</p>
<p>only time will tell<br />the planet will live on&#8230;maybe without the humans</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/18/powering-sydney-with-the-sun-not-if-the-pols-can-help-it/#comment-16595</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Robert Gottliebsen article from &#039;Business Spectator&#039; was about the worst thing I&#039;ve ever read.  Superficial set of arguments that seemed to point to one conclusion only -- the need for a &#039;WorkChoices&#039; style IR system in NSW.  Telling bizoids what they want to hear, no doubt.  It has nothing to do with mistakes in implementing solar research in NSW by Labor.  I&#039;m more concerned with Labor&#039;s lack of interest in affordable housing solutions in Sydney, which is also harmful to the economy, and the massive conflicts of interest and potential for corruption between the Minister for Planning and developers, various politicians and Macquarie Bank, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Robert Gottliebsen article from &#8216;Business Spectator&#8217; was about the worst thing I&#8217;ve ever read.  Superficial set of arguments that seemed to point to one conclusion only&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the need for a &#8216;WorkChoices&#8217; style IR system in NSW.  Telling bizoids what they want to hear, no doubt.  It has nothing to do with mistakes in implementing solar research in NSW by Labor.  I&#8217;m more concerned with Labor&#8217;s lack of interest in affordable housing solutions in Sydney, which is also harmful to the economy, and the massive conflicts of interest and potential for corruption between the Minister for Planning and developers, various politicians and Macquarie Bank, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: alan carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>solar thermal actually operates at night well enough. Fluids are heated during the day and then used to generate steam while the sun is off watch. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solar thermal actually operates at night well enough. Fluids are heated during the day and then used to generate steam while the sun is off watch.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Ian'</title>
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		<dc:creator>'Ian'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It continues a well worn  practice of behaviour by the Labor state government. Pacific Solar  which  was  part of the state owned  electricity generator Pacific  Power , and a leader in PV technology, was  sold  to foreigners rather than nutured by the government  and when Eraring Energy (NSW state owned) tried  to build more wind farms in JV  with a Spansih outfit  NSW treasury made them can the deal well into the planning process. But they are great  at having slogans, state plans  and advertising campaigns, remember  &#039;Its  a living thing&#039;.  What have we done to deserve a mob like this, not to mention the looney/dopey alternative. Could &#039;Get Up&#039; or similiar, please  choose a party (toss a coin),  organise membership of that party and take it over.... saves on building a new brand   and, as Mark Latham so eloquently pointed out in his book : take out the union membership and  you are left  with only a few thousand  actual members of the party. Its time for action in NSW!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PS  Maybe the memory of the Harry Messell / Neville Wran  solar deal at White Cliffs in NSW&#039;s far west  30 years ago , which was well intentioned but a flop, cruelled it for everyone else, however its  not an excuse </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It continues a well worn  practice of behaviour by the Labor state government. Pacific Solar  which  was  part of the state owned  electricity generator Pacific  Power , and a leader in PV technology, was  sold  to foreigners rather than nutured by the government  and when Eraring Energy (NSW state owned) tried  to build more wind farms in JV  with a Spansih outfit  NSW treasury made them can the deal well into the planning process. But they are great  at having slogans, state plans  and advertising campaigns, remember  &#8216;Its  a living thing&#8217;.  What have we done to deserve a mob like this, not to mention the looney/dopey alternative. Could &#8216;Get Up&#8217; or similiar, please  choose a party (toss a coin),  organise membership of that party and take it over&#8230;. saves on building a new brand   and, as Mark Latham so eloquently pointed out in his book : take out the union membership and  you are left  with only a few thousand  actual members of the party. Its time for action in NSW!</p>
<p>PS  Maybe the memory of the Harry Messell / Neville Wran  solar deal at White Cliffs in NSW&#8217;s far west  30 years ago , which was well intentioned but a flop, cruelled it for everyone else, however its  not an excuse</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Yeomans</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/18/powering-sydney-with-the-sun-not-if-the-pols-can-help-it/#comment-16598</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Yeomans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought you might find this one amusing&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bruce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you might find this one amusing</p>
<p>Bruce</p>
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		<title>By: Shark</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/18/powering-sydney-with-the-sun-not-if-the-pols-can-help-it/#comment-16599</link>
		<dc:creator>Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He predicted that the results were so impressive that if the project was expanded, then Sydney could be powered by solar thermal power down the grid within three years.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;This statement  is quite misleading.  Surely the statement should say that SOME of Sydney&#039;s power could come from solar thermal power within three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>He predicted that the results were so impressive that if the project was expanded, then Sydney could be powered by solar thermal power down the grid within three years.&#8221;<br />This statement  is quite misleading.  Surely the statement should say that SOME of Sydney&#8217;s power could come from solar thermal power within three years.</p>
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