Comments on: What Age journos did next: it’s fight or flight time http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/21/what-age-journos-did-next-its-fight-or-flight-time/ now with extra source Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:36:07 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/21/what-age-journos-did-next-its-fight-or-flight-time/#comment-14169 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14169 Well actually journalism is a profession, just like other professions have ethical standards otherwise you are just 'master and servant'. This elevated status comes from the recognition of free speech/press as integral to a function democracy, hence 4th estate references in any number of high level cases before the 3rd estate mediating conflicts with the 1st and 2nd estate. Fry is way over simplifying an important, nay crucial public role, online or in press. Which implies a rather arid amoral sense of the news business really. To be pitied more than railed against. As I always say doing fair indy news is not so hard, or even selling advertising. It's effective distribution that is the hard bit. If the age workforce walked and set up their own cooperative where they owned the equity, well wouldn't you see Fairfax squeal, and we'd likely get a better media service. But you have to guarrantee your printers too. Sabotage the print run and goodbye customer goodwill. Well actually journalism is a profession, just like other professions have ethical standards otherwise you are just ‘master and servant’. This elevated status comes from the recognition of free speech/press as integral to a function democracy, hence 4th estate references in any number of high level cases before the 3rd estate mediating conflicts with the 1st and 2nd estate. Fry is way over simplifying an important, nay crucial public role, online or in press. Which implies a rather arid amoral sense of the news business really. To be pitied more than railed against. As I always say doing fair indy news is not so hard, or even selling advertising. It’s effective distribution that is the hard bit. If the age workforce walked and set up their own cooperative where they owned the equity, well wouldn’t you see Fairfax squeal, and we’d likely get a better media service. But you have to guarrantee your printers too. Sabotage the print run and goodbye customer goodwill.

]]> By: Mia Duap http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/21/what-age-journos-did-next-its-fight-or-flight-time/#comment-14170 Mia Duap Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14170 badly written article. I don't know what the issue is because I haven't caught up with it. So this article fails the basic test of journalism. Who what when where why how. I'm no bettter enlightened margaret though I suspect I want to be badly written article. I don’t know what the issue is because I haven’t caught up with it. So this article fails the basic test of journalism. Who what when where why how. I’m no bettter enlightened margaret though I suspect I want to be

]]> By: Roger Fry http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/21/what-age-journos-did-next-its-fight-or-flight-time/#comment-14171 Roger Fry Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14171 The Age Independence Committee should stop kidding itself. Its members are dependent - they are the benficiaries of other people's money in establishing the Age, and secondly they are recipients of money (pay, salary, whatever) as part of a master-servant relationship (take my money and do as I say). I think the Age staff suffer from Perkinson's disease. As a close observer of the Age for more than 50 years, dating from my employment there in the 1950s, I think the present problems started in the 1960s with the rise and rise of Graham Perkin. He was a go-getter whose interviews produced stories which were never quite as revealing as he liked to think. He got to be the hero of a putsch of up and coming, mostly male, journalists who believed wrongly that they could improve the art of journalism. I don't think they did. The last of this group still hangs on at the Age, stirrring away with the so-called committee of independence. Buy the paper, or shut up guys. The Age Independence Committee should stop kidding itself. Its members are dependent - they are the benficiaries of other people’s money in establishing the Age, and secondly they are recipients of money (pay, salary, whatever) as part of a master-servant relationship (take my money and do as I say).
I think the Age staff suffer from Perkinson’s disease. As a close observer of the Age for more than 50 years, dating from my employment there in the 1950s, I think the present problems started in the 1960s with the rise and rise of Graham Perkin. He was a go-getter whose interviews produced stories which were never quite as revealing as he liked to think. He got to be the hero of a putsch of up and coming, mostly male, journalists who believed wrongly that they could improve the art of journalism. I don’t think they did. The last of this group still hangs on at the Age, stirrring away with the so-called committee of independence. Buy the paper, or shut up guys.

]]> By: Margaret Simons http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/21/what-age-journos-did-next-its-fight-or-flight-time/#comment-14172 Margaret Simons Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-14172 Mia, if you click on the links you will find Crikey's reporting on this issue over the last fortnight, which will fill you in. Or try any of these: http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080411-Age-meeting.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080411-Is-Andrew-Jaspan-the-new-Jonathan-Shier.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Crikey-Says/20080411-Crikey-Says.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Crikey-Says/20080414-Crikey-Says.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080416-Jaspan-pulls-out-of-2020-Summit.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Blogs/rewrite/Are-journalists-players-or-observers.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080417-Censorship-and-hypocrisy-alive-and-well-in-Australian-media.html http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080418-A-Letter-to-Don-Churchill.html Mia, if you click on the links you will find Crikey’s reporting on this issue over the last fortnight, which will fill you in. Or try any of these:
http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080411-Age-meeting.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080411-Is-Andrew-Jaspan-the-new-Jonathan-Shier.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Crikey-Says/20080411-Crikey-Says.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Crikey-Says/20080414-Crikey-Says.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080416-Jaspan-pulls-out-of-2020-Summit.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Blogs/rewrite/Are-journalists-players-or-observers.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080417-Censorship-and-hypocrisy-alive-and-well-in-Australian-media.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080418-A-Letter-to-Don-Churchill.html

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