http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:50:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17552 TomMcL Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17552 The freak was reference to the incomparable Gary Ablett of course, on field mercurial off field a train wreck, sadly. Lastly, it's pretty clear there is a Stockholm Sydnrome at play in our business/political culture. It's what we know - the liars, the spivs etc. Mayne in my impression has got some kind of outsider observer thing going, always has from the start of crikey and I suspect it comes from his proud tough grand old pomme grandfather Brit veteran lineage, of us and also beyond as well, to get that perspective. A bit of a hybrid Aussie is Mayne (?). Keep going I reckon. John Button was right, who can stand this "dullness". The freak was reference to the incomparable Gary Ablett of course, on field mercurial off field a train wreck, sadly. Lastly, it’s pretty clear there is a Stockholm Sydnrome at play in our business/political culture. It’s what we know - the liars, the spivs etc. Mayne in my impression has got some kind of outsider observer thing going, always has from the start of crikey and I suspect it comes from his proud tough grand old pomme grandfather Brit veteran lineage, of us and also beyond as well, to get that perspective. A bit of a hybrid Aussie is Mayne (?). Keep going I reckon. John Button was right, who can stand this “dullness”.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17553 Patricia Weston Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17553 Quoting Sarah Ferguson in this context doesn't impress. Talk about police verballing! Her talents are not for thorough and credible investigative journalism. Her whining, self righteous tone desperately trying to be do a Sally Neighbour was a real turn off last night. She was careful to make disclaimers about cash not actually being paid by developers to MPs before shock horror statements about some $350,000 in declared donations over ten years (!), traced back by an obsessive Greens party man. Her inept ambushing of the the NSW Premier and Noreen Hay made me actually sympathise with these unlovely people. There was some grubby sex mentioned between a planner and a developer. How did Kevin Rudd and Greg Combet figure in that? So why suggest they did? The ALP publicly acknowledged benefit from the effective fund raising of people like Hay and Abetts. Where was the "dirty sexy money" so sensationally promised and promoted by Four Corners? Ratings losers? Of course. Quoting Sarah Ferguson in this context doesn’t impress. Talk about police verballing! Her talents are not for thorough and credible investigative journalism. Her whining, self righteous tone desperately trying to be do a Sally Neighbour was a real turn off last night. She was careful to make disclaimers about cash not actually being paid by developers to MPs before shock horror statements about some $350,000 in declared donations over ten years (!), traced back by an obsessive Greens party man. Her inept ambushing of the the NSW Premier and Noreen Hay made me actually sympathise with these unlovely people. There was some grubby sex mentioned between a planner and a developer. How did Kevin Rudd and Greg Combet figure in that? So why suggest they did? The ALP publicly acknowledged benefit from the effective fund raising of people like Hay and Abetts. Where was the “dirty sexy money” so sensationally promised and promoted by Four Corners? Ratings losers? Of course.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17554 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17554 Ah yairs, as Christian Kerr might say. The flattering niggle versus the outright insult I'm used to (?!). Mayne is on the cultural trend here. Big Barry should be convicted for criminal assault. Got nothing to do with boundary lines. It's the law of the land and big money sport$ be b*ggered. It's a LIE. As for Patrcian Weston I say to you sister being loyal to the ALP is great (according to your own lights) but let me repeat as previously here on crikey.com.au "Stick to your beliefs their Patricia Weston, and just to clarify, you are ... mother of Gillian Papalia, wife of Paul Papalia, ALP MP for Peel in the WA Parliament? Just wondering as there is "Patricia Weston" in this Hansard here 27 Feb 2007. [link] Loyalty is an admirable quality, I'm sure every reader would agree." Ah yairs, as Christian Kerr might say. The flattering niggle versus the outright insult I’m used to (?!). Mayne is on the cultural trend here. Big Barry should be convicted for criminal assault. Got nothing to do with boundary lines. It’s the law of the land and big money sport$ be b*ggered. It’s a LIE. As for Patrcian Weston I say to you sister being loyal to the ALP is great (according to your own lights) but let me repeat as previously here on crikey.com.au “Stick to your beliefs their Patricia Weston, and just to clarify, you are … mother of Gillian Papalia, wife of Paul Papalia, ALP MP for Peel in the WA Parliament? Just wondering as there is “Patricia Weston” in this Hansard here 27 Feb 2007. [link] Loyalty is an admirable quality, I’m sure every reader would agree.”

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17555 Patricia Weston Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17555 Tom, like all bloggers I have strong views and yes I am a long term "true believer", but I share my name with many others, not least Patricia the wife of Roy Weston Nationwide, a really big name in real estate! I'm surprised the moderator has permitted your personalising of my opinion. But regardless of your mistaken assumption why play the ball and not the woman, to coin a phrase. I have always watched 4 Corners for real content and not sensationalism. I have little sympathy for developers who don't follow the rules, because there are some ethical ones who do. Clearly the rules re developers and political lobbyists need changing as the WA fiasco with Burke et alia shows. Re rules I absolutely agree with you about Barry Hall being convicted for criminal assault. How does that sort of example help with the one punch death rate which is alarmingly on the rise. Tom, like all bloggers I have strong views and yes I am a long term “true believer”, but I share my name with many others, not least Patricia the wife of Roy Weston Nationwide, a really big name in real estate! I’m surprised the moderator has permitted your personalising of my opinion. But regardless of your mistaken assumption why play the ball and not the woman, to coin a phrase. I have always watched 4 Corners for real content and not sensationalism. I have little sympathy for developers who don’t follow the rules, because there are some ethical ones who do. Clearly the rules re developers and political lobbyists need changing as the WA fiasco with Burke et alia shows. Re rules I absolutely agree with you about Barry Hall being convicted for criminal assault. How does that sort of example help with the one punch death rate which is alarmingly on the rise.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17556 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17556 No. You are right Mr Mayne. Stick with it. The Howard period of governance was ugly for lax corporate standards. Prison sentences for serious economic crimes are the way to go, and everyone actually knows it as per my law lecturer on competing models of regulation in 1984! As for Barry Hall I spotted him in a big game, televised up here in the last few years and having been of religious disposition about the game until 20 or so, sad to say I saw a guy who needed to intimidate because he didn't trust his own ability to go the ball rather than the man. You could see it in his nervous half starts, and niggles when an actually gifted forward would be leading or making space or like 'the freak" (he's 'not a human being' as per Roy and HG) was already launched into the atmosphere. In short Hall is not actually that good, but he is big and he is dangerous. His haymaker was an eloquent speech to all footy fans my talent has well and truly peaked and is rolling fast down the other side. No. You are right Mr Mayne. Stick with it. The Howard period of governance was ugly for lax corporate standards. Prison sentences for serious economic crimes are the way to go, and everyone actually knows it as per my law lecturer on competing models of regulation in 1984! As for Barry Hall I spotted him in a big game, televised up here in the last few years and having been of religious disposition about the game until 20 or so, sad to say I saw a guy who needed to intimidate because he didn’t trust his own ability to go the ball rather than the man. You could see it in his nervous half starts, and niggles when an actually gifted forward would be leading or making space or like ‘the freak” (he’s ‘not a human being’ as per Roy and HG) was already launched into the atmosphere. In short Hall is not actually that good, but he is big and he is dangerous. His haymaker was an eloquent speech to all footy fans my talent has well and truly peaked and is rolling fast down the other side.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17557 Lazy "journalism" (again) Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17557 Following from my last post "Richardson presumably pocketed millions in success fees from Sartor’s controversial decision to rezone the land". PRESUMABLY? Why not ask him Stephen instead of guessing? Oh that's right - that would take work! MILLIONS? Again, maybe you could ask or do some research? Alternately, as you are engaging in hyperbole, do it properly - "presumably Richardson pocked BILLIONS in success fees..." Following from my last post “Richardson presumably pocketed millions in success fees from Sartor’s controversial decision to rezone the land”. PRESUMABLY? Why not ask him Stephen instead of guessing? Oh that’s right - that would take work! MILLIONS? Again, maybe you could ask or do some research? Alternately, as you are engaging in hyperbole, do it properly - “presumably Richardson pocked BILLIONS in success fees…”

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17558 Lazy "journalism" (again) Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17558 Come on Tom. You each have gripes about corporate Australia, spivs etc. Me too. But Mayne’s article wasn’t echoing those gripes nor was it even thoughtful. It was a lazy collection of “off the top of my head” grabs about a few corporate scandals. Mayne didn’t even have the courage to come to a conclusion? I mean, what was the point of the article? Should we shun these people, jail them, tar and feather them? We certainly haven’t forgotten them (as Mayne states). Tom, at least you had the courage to come to a conclusion – that we need higher standards. What does Mayne suggest? We don’t know. Again, lazy journalism. Come on Tom. You each have gripes about corporate Australia, spivs etc. Me too. But Mayne’s article wasn’t echoing those gripes nor was it even thoughtful. It was a lazy collection of “off the top of my head” grabs about a few corporate scandals. Mayne didn’t even have the courage to come to a conclusion? I mean, what was the point of the article? Should we shun these people, jail them, tar and feather them? We certainly haven’t forgotten them (as Mayne states). Tom, at least you had the courage to come to a conclusion – that we need higher standards. What does Mayne suggest? We don’t know. Again, lazy journalism.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17559 Lazy "journalism" (again) Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17559 Typical Stephen Mayne article. Long on hyperbole and innuendo and no facts. The only thing of substance is a parroting of the four corners story. The rest is cheap shots at the usual suspects that get up Stephen’s nose. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Stephen, do the hard yards as four corners did or leave journalism to people that take the time to investigate. Either that or wait until Oz really becomes a banana republic and apply for role of official stenographer. Typical Stephen Mayne article. Long on hyperbole and innuendo and no facts. The only thing of substance is a parroting of the four corners story. The rest is cheap shots at the usual suspects that get up Stephen’s nose. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Stephen, do the hard yards as four corners did or leave journalism to people that take the time to investigate. Either that or wait until Oz really becomes a banana republic and apply for role of official stenographer.

]]> http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/04/15/from-opes-to-barry-hall-the-high-price-of-the-second-chance/#comment-17560 JamesK Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-17560 What moderator? What moderator?

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