Comments on: If the globe is warming, why is Antarctica cooling? http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/ now with extra source Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:48:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11802 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11802 Just to add, Radio National Jan 5 2008 feature 'Meltdown' visited both Arctic and Antarctic via abc podcast. It's a good listen. Just to add, Radio National Jan 5 2008 feature ‘Meltdown’ visited both Arctic and Antarctic via abc podcast. It’s a good listen.

]]> By: Edward Black http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11803 Edward Black Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11803 Antarctic temperatures are rising faster than the world average - more ice cover there is probably related to more ice melting into the sea! Antarctic temperatures are rising faster than the world average - more ice cover there is probably related to more ice melting into the sea!

]]> By: David Thackrah http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11804 David Thackrah Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11804 Yep.. supports my contention Mother Earth has tilted slightly putting the Arctic sea ice into more sunlight and the correspoending "shadow" down below. Oh.. and I recommend single hull constructed tourist ships keep out of the sea below 40 deg. Yep.. supports my contention Mother Earth has tilted slightly putting the Arctic sea ice into more sunlight and the correspoending “shadow” down below. Oh.. and I recommend single hull constructed tourist ships keep out of the sea below 40 deg.

]]> By: Simon Coburn http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11805 Simon Coburn Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11805 The term "global warming" is misleading anyway - "climate change" is better - with emphasis on "change". There is nothing explicitly wrong with warming or cooling but the more quickly it occurs, the more living things that won't have time to adapt. The term “global warming” is misleading anyway - “climate change” is better - with emphasis on “change”. There is nothing explicitly wrong with warming or cooling but the more quickly it occurs, the more living things that won’t have time to adapt.

]]> By: Jim McCrudden http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11806 Jim McCrudden Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11806 I think you will find that the average max in Sydney this year in December was about 20% lower than last year. I think you will find that the average max in Sydney this year in December was about 20% lower than last year.

]]> By: simon http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11807 simon Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11807 a page which gives a good explanation of sea ice (NB different from icebergs) is: http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html. For the difference between climate and weather...well, for a start, don't just look at a single data point like Sydney Dec, 2007. a page which gives a good explanation of sea ice (NB different from icebergs) is: http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html. For the difference between climate and weather…well, for a start, don’t just look at a single data point like Sydney Dec, 2007.

]]> By: Wayne Robinson http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11808 Wayne Robinson Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11808 Actually if you look at the data for January instead of November, the figures for sea ice concentration for 2007, 2002 and 1987 are 2.9, 2.8 and 3.2 million square miles respectively, which is roughly what you'd expect if the Anarctic was warming. Actually if you look at the data for January instead of November, the figures for sea ice concentration for 2007, 2002 and 1987 are 2.9, 2.8 and 3.2 million square miles respectively, which is roughly what you’d expect if the Anarctic was warming.

]]> By: Kenneth Cooke http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11809 Kenneth Cooke Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11809 Increased Antarctic sea ice is a consequence of global warming and in accordance with the global climate modelling. As AVERAGE global temperatures increase, there is increased evaporation of water from oceans leading to greater Antarctic snow fall. Increased Antarctic sea ice is a consequence of global warming and in accordance with the global climate modelling. As AVERAGE global temperatures increase, there is increased evaporation of water from oceans leading to greater Antarctic snow fall.

]]> By: A W Jones http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11810 A W Jones Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11810 I like the explanation that it is not "global warming" but a complex system to which heat is being added. I don't believe any scientist has claimed that temperature will rise by exactly 4.2% everywhere. I like the explanation that it is not “global warming” but a complex system to which heat is being added. I don’t believe any scientist has claimed that temperature will rise by exactly 4.2% everywhere.

]]> By: Adam Dunsford http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11811 Adam Dunsford Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11811 1) I know someone who voted Green at the last election, so using Richard Farmer's logic, this means that all that propaganda about Labor winning the election is wrong. 2) Did you know that as warming occurs, ice slides off land into the ocean faster? 1) I know someone who voted Green at the last election, so using Richard Farmer’s logic, this means that all that propaganda about Labor winning the election is wrong.

2) Did you know that as warming occurs, ice slides off land into the ocean faster?

]]> By: Kevin Cox http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11812 Kevin Cox Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11812 It is the ice on the land moving into the sea that causes rising sea levels. Look at Greenland to see where the problem lies. Sea levels are rising because ice is moving off the land and hot water takes more space than cold. It is the ice on the land moving into the sea that causes rising sea levels. Look at Greenland to see where the problem lies. Sea levels are rising because ice is moving off the land and hot water takes more space than cold.

]]> By: Greg Angelo http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11813 Greg Angelo Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11813 Perhaps the Arctic ice is melting because there is more "hot air" in the northern hemisphere because that's where most of the climate change scientists live. Perhaps the Arctic ice is melting because there is more “hot air” in the northern hemisphere because that’s where most of the climate change scientists live.

]]> By: Andrew Sinstead-Reid http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11814 Andrew Sinstead-Reid Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11814 The Earth doesn't warm uniformly (due to the interaction of Milankovitch cycles with the distribution of land masses, with virtually all - except Antarctica - located in the Northern Hemisphere). So, a cooling Antarctica doesn't mean ACG isn't happening. The Earth doesn’t warm uniformly (due to the interaction of Milankovitch cycles with the distribution of land masses, with virtually all - except Antarctica - located in the Northern Hemisphere). So, a cooling Antarctica doesn’t mean ACG isn’t happening.

]]> By: Neil Smith http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11815 Neil Smith Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11815 We hear ad nauseum from the environment movement, journalists and publicity dependent sections of the scientific community about the dangers of abrupt climate change, all with fested interests to service. Let Crikey become an instrument for debating ACG! We hear ad nauseum from the environment movement, journalists and publicity dependent sections of the scientific community about the dangers of abrupt climate change, all with fested interests to service. Let Crikey become an instrument for debating ACG!

]]> By: simon http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11816 simon Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11816 Selective misquoting is a poor way to support an argument. Read the full page from which Richard Farmer cherry-picks his "facts" . The scientific community is surely a more reliable source of data than Big Oil and their beneficiaries. End of hot air... Selective misquoting is a poor way to support an argument. Read the full page from which Richard Farmer cherry-picks his “facts” . The scientific community is surely a more reliable source of data than Big Oil and their beneficiaries. End of hot air…

]]> By: Neil Smith http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11817 Neil Smith Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11817 Greater sea ice flows are due to the THICKENING of the Anarctic icesheet in the last 20 years. Greater ice on the land corresponds to greater amounts of sea ice. Follow link: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/295/5554/476 Greater sea ice flows are due to the THICKENING of the Anarctic icesheet in the last 20 years. Greater ice on the land corresponds to greater amounts of sea ice. Follow link:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/295/5554/476

]]> By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11818 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11818 err sorry via the Science Show website, abc radio national err sorry via the Science Show website, abc radio national

]]> By: Neil Smith http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11819 Neil Smith Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11819 http://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/publications/pdf/pubs2002/2_Spatial_patterns_variability.pdf Linked article demonstrating a slight cooling trend in Antarctic temperatures set against a warming on the Anarctic peninsula (2% of the Antarctic land mass) http://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/publications/pdf/pubs2002/2_Spatial_patterns_variability.pdf
Linked article demonstrating a slight cooling trend in Antarctic temperatures set against a warming on the Anarctic peninsula (2% of the Antarctic land mass)

]]> By: Tom McLoughlin http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/01/07/if-the-globe-is-warming-why-is-antarctica-cooling/#comment-11820 Tom McLoughlin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 #comment-11820 Good q. Need a TOP scientists to explain variability e.g. Dr Hansen at NASA. Last days of cancer can also be least painful (!?) 1. Nov. is start of summer (??) 2. lakes, waterfalls observed in Antarctica recently (!) 3.North pole no land? (cp Greenland?) Good q. Need a TOP scientists to explain variability e.g. Dr Hansen at NASA. Last days of cancer can also be least painful (!?) 1. Nov. is start of summer (??) 2. lakes, waterfalls observed in Antarctica recently (!) 3.North pole no land? (cp Greenland?)

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